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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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you're on with gene and chris on the

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power cast this week except technically

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chris isn't here yet he's on the highway

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driving back to his home in arizona so

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we might call him on the way if we can

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get a decent cell signal on his iphone

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if we can't we'll talk to him later in

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the show but we do have

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the famous or infamous

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paranormal blogger and commentator red

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junkie with us

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and we sometimes just call him miguel

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because that's his name welcome to the

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thanks gene thanks for for having me you

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know it's a pleasure to be back on the

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paraquest

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now let me preface this discussion

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before we get into

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our topic of interest with miguel which

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the roswell slides or as

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kevin d randle calls them not

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the roswell slides let's talk about the

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power cast and our premium version

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feature the after the powercast podcast

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now as you might expect some regard it

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as a badge of honor

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if you're good enough for people to

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pirate

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your intellectual property so here's how

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it works in the power cast if you're a

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listener to the regular show and some

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have asked us can we allow them

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to post the regular show intact with ads

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on a youtube channel and sometimes we

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let it happen it's okay because they get

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a little traffic to their channel and we

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get more listeners so everybody's happy

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maybe they got a couple of dollars of

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adsense money but with the premium

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service this is something we charge for

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we give you the ad-free version of the

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powercast we give you after the

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powercast which is our exclusive premium

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podcast we give you all that stuff

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and we charge you a modest fee of five

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dollars a month fifty dollars a year 175

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dollars for five years and we have a

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little set of terms and conditions which

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basically says

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go ahead and download go ahead and

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listen copy it to your other devices

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let your family hear it but don't post

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the thing okay that's common sense don't

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post it well guess what miguel somebody

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jesus

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so here's what happens i contacted the

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person no response i posted an item for

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saying don't download this this is

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posted with our authorization i then

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order but the way youtube works you

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can't just take down the channel that

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has content

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that maybe infringes on your rights you

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have to go to every single download

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every single selection and separately

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although you can mix i think five per

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every single one has to have a separate

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complaint

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okay so we have a few dozen shows

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that we had to complain about imagine

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now if you go there

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and you're like a daily show five days a

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week a premium show

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and they've got hundreds of shows that

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you have to sit there

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and issue a separate request to youtube

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to remove the content wow yeah unless

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you have some kind of assistant helping

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you out with all those quests to take

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down you know it will be a nightmare you

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weeks on end just doing that

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how this works if people can get the

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thing free they're not going to

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subscribe so we lose money we got a

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response to the takedown order within a

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day we even got a response from the

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person who ran the channel saying i

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didn't know i couldn't post that

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wait a minute this is a premium show

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we're charging for it i mean go ahead

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and download something from itunes okay

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download something from itunes and post

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it on youtube and see what happens in

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any case they took it down and then the

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second shoe drops so we have a special

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place where you go to

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subscribe to the powercast plus at

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plus.thepowercast.com

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and we found that some people who go

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there were getting

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the warning that it was a phishing site

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fishing not being what you do in the

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river it means a site where they can

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steal your password or something so

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somebody complained and this must be

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like the other shoe or something

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complains at the place where we tell you

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how to get the powercast plus and after

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the powercast and all that

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it's a phishing site so you in order to

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go there

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you've got to

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select some kind of option saying you

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don't care

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and that was google google sends out

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those warnings so somebody complained to

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google so that's a dirty trick yeah we

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got that removed another day it's like

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everything is coming down on us so we're

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famous folks miguel we're famous now

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don't touch me i'm a star people want to

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pirate our content and play dirty tricks

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i guess wow i know that the paraquest is

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a family show

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gene and you want to keep it clean but

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there's a quite a few spanish expletives

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that actually use for such kind of

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behavior

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but you can't because i expect somebody

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over

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at gcn speak spanish

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yeah sure i know my son has taught me

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this because my son studied spanish in

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college and he's taught me a couple of

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words okay

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but you see what's happening here yeah

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the word is getting out there in any

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case if you want to learn more about the

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powercast plus

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plus.thepowercast.com as of the time the

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show is being aired

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it does work i'm keeping my fingers

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crossed in any case we're here to talk

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about

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not the roswell slides or the roswell

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slides and miguel you went to this big

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event in mexico city that we'll talk

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about in a moment but we all heard about

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this

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thing for a while can you give our

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listeners a brief summary in the next

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three or four minutes till we break

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as to what

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the roswell slides are how did this

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so-called roswell dream team

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somehow got contacted with someone who

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auditorium no less you know like one of

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venues theaters in the whole country so

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we got my attention definitely and well

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the thing has already transpired and

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talking and discussing what happened

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to discuss it further in for the benefit

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i hope we're not adding to the clutter

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now the thing i don't understand here

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as i read this and i've been following

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this for i don't know what a year or two

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how does it become roswell slides where

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on the date of the kodachrome slides

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that they they got their hands on you

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it's it has to be roswell in the in the

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of the people who have been

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investigating that case for so many

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years you know apparently it couldn't be

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the aliens

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crewmen over on this alien ship i don't

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know if you can call them men or women i

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assume you can because they're humanoid

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celebration

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the captain

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had a birthday or something or was

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getting married and so they

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drank too much and the helmsman

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forgot what he was doing and he crashed

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it right as well that sounds ridiculous

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but i think you're going to find out

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that isn't holding a candle to what's

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chris o'brien will be joining us a

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little bit later we have red pill junkie

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is our guest covering not the roswell

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wondered why banks stock brokers

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investment advisors won't talk about

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the paracast you know he does that very

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well miguel he is one of the best people

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to do the power cast of course nick

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redfern does it pretty well with a

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shadow kind of laugh and bryce zabel and

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several other people

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chris does it in many voices depending

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on whether there's a trickster a foot

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but miguel

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known as red pill junkie

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knowledgeable blogger on all things

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paranormal is certainly at the top of

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the heap we're talking about this

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episode involving roswell slides and how

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in the heck there's a connection to

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roswell you're saying here that

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the film was manufactured between 47 and

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49. is that what i'm getting

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well allegedly

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that's the analysis that they

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presented during the event provided by

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a guy by the name of

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professor rod

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slemons who apparently said that based

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on the frame numbers

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and on the slides and

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themselves

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they dated back to the 1940s

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okay so they're dating this on the fact

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of the slides

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the carrier

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was developed

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it's something of

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i'm not really that

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knowledgeable in in in

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in kodachrome slides but

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the frame numbers he said you know some

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red frame numbers that are

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printed directly in the

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plastic

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of the slides

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so it's it wasn't just

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it wasn't just the cardboard protecting

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the slides themselves because i know

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that some people said well maybe this

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the someone used cardboard from an

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kodachrome slide and they inserted

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a modern a modern slide in order to fake

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it but

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according to this guy

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and also the the frame numbers from the

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slides checked out

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does that indicate it was processed

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between 47 and 49 or what clarify for me

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from what i got

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the slides were

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manufactured

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from from 47 to 49.

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okay so they could have been taken at

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any time during that period

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yeah

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okay so that doesn't tell us anything

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you see i know we're kind of spoiled

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nowadays because with our digital

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cameras and our iphones and everything

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they geotag

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a photo when you take it

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so you know when it was taken

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and where it was taken i mean yes that

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data can be

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removed but that's the basic thing

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so

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here you go

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with

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these old slides

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you may be able to date it within a

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period of a couple of years but you

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can't say where it was taken

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i can't say what date it was taken and

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you certainly can't say who took it

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yeah definitely for example um

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they showed some of the other slides not

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just the ones with the alleged that

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alien some of the slides were and

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one from paris you know the famous uh

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triumph arc you know

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in the parisian parisian streets

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and i saw in one

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block that the ufo researcher and

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gills fernandez i think that's how you

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pronounce his name

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he lives in france he and he tried to to

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see if there his friends could try to to

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see if they could um

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detect

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the the brand and the date of the cars

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that you could see

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you know circulating on the on the paris

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street and i think that according to

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them those cars were from the late 1950s

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so 1958 or 57 if i'm not mistaken so

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okay so maybe the slides

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are from the 1940s but

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the the images were taken

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at a much later year

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okay this is where it's complicated

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because the slides were found

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what taped under the cover of a box of

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other slides

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yeah

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so adam dew you know who is the guy who

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came up with the slides

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and

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he showed a recorded interview

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with

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a woman a friend of his

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who allegedly was the one who found

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the slides

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when she was

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cleaning up a house i think the house

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was in sedona arizona she was doing the

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cleanup and

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by accident

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the box containing the slides you know

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fell to the ground and she looked at him

478
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and

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she looked uh to a few of them she found

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an interesting and she decided to to

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keep them

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and apparently

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during several years she kept looking at

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it at them and some of the slides she

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gradually started to see

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to recognize some of the people shown in

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some of the photographs for example

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there's one with the famous american

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actor clark gable

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there is also one with

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bing crosby playing on a gold field

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apparently some kind of a charity event

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there's one with president eisenhower

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and his brother and apparently that

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photo that slide was taken in kansas

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so she started to see that the slides

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were interesting

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she was particularly interesting

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apparently with

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uh slides showing

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airplanes you know those small colorful

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airplanes in some kind of small airports

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but then

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according to her story she found

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two other slides like

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inside

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the the between the the

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bottom of the of the box so somehow

509
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they were

510
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the bottom was glued together after

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someone hit the two slides uh

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underneath

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so

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poor condition that it was literally

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breaking apart and that's how according

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to her story she found these two other

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slides and then when she looked at them

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she kind of freaked out because she

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didn't recognize

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what they were but they they looked they

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looked weird to them to her

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okay so

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we have a collection of slides here

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this is the outlier

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and i have a crazy question to ask here

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is there any possibility that somebody

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just stuck them in there

528
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yeah sure we

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really don't know at this moment who

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took the slice who owned the slides and

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who hit those other two slides inside

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the box

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we the the the

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members of the

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um roswell investigation team that uh

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who organized with mouse on this event

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and

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there

539
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made the assumption that because

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some of those uh slides

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are

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portraits of

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and this woman

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hilda ray and her husband and

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their assumption is that

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the slides belonged to them and

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they were taken by them even either

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either by hilda

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or by her husband and bernard

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not of course by maybe friends

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or family

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we've got more to come trying to figure

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out not the roswell slides with red pill

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junkie and jean and chris you're in the

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on the road right now

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of the connection which is going to vary

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he gets back to his home and things get

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better anyway chris glad to have you

666
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aboard here so we can continue let me

667
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read the section here guys which is

668
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something from

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what

670
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:51,840
kevin randle says in his article not the

671
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roswell slides and richard dolan

672
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okay

673
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so he made this statement several

674
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paragraphs actually several sentences

675
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the providence would be provided but it

676
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never was here we're told it was that

677
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the rays lived in midland texas

678
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:11,279
the slides were recovered in sedona

679
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arizona and ended up in chicago some 20

680
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years after discovery owned by a man

681
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whose identity

682
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:22,399
has not been revealed not a compelling

683
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,430
yeah i mean that's the thing that

684
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,440
bothers me here you got these two

685
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outlier slides

686
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and as we were mentioning with miguel

687
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,480
somebody could have put them there

688
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,840
how do you know they're part of this

689
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,360
other collection

690
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,760
no there's too much time that's gone by

691
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,600
too much questions about where the

692
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slides have been who found them why

693
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they weren't

694
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you know revealed right away it's just

695
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too much uh

696
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i don't know it's

697
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nothing

698
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bothers

699
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about it we're not even talking about

700
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you know what's on the slide it's just

701
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the fact

702
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there's this weird kind of gap in time

703
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,039
i don't know what do you think about it

704
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,000
i have to agree with you chris and i

705
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feel that at this point

706
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these guys are making too many

707
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assumptions the assumptions about

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the provenance of the slides and the

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ownership of the slides and where the

710
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slides were were taken

711
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and for

712
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they tried to make the case that

713
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uh he tilda and bernard were a very well

714
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connected couple uh

715
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,200
she was that she was a very accomplished

716
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lawyer and a pilot with uh i mustn't be

717
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:43,200
that's very impressive especially for

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those

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days and that her husband was a

720
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geologist and that

721
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:51,760
they were very good friends with

722
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mamia eisenhower who was the

723
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the wife of president eisenhower so

724
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that's the kind of like

725
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,720
big assumption that okay so

726
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since they were friends with the

727
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eisenhower's ergo

728
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they might have been privy to

729
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very hush hush materials like

730
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:15,760
recover the aliens from the roswell

731
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crash

732
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:19,679
okay but of course we can't prove that

733
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:22,640
they took these pictures we can't prove

734
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:26,000
they even knew those pictures existed

735
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:28,000
what a mess

736
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,159
yeah their argument

737
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,200
is that if the slides were

738
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,120
of a mundane

739
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,000
origin or a mundane topic then how come

740
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,320
someone hit them right you know the

741
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:42,240
assumption is you know because someone

742
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knew

743
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,320
that they were very important and

744
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:49,440
they made made sure that they will be

745
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:52,640
you know never found or something but

746
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:55,840
then again you know someone maybe

747
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,039
try to

748
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,600
to pull up a prank or maybe this someone

749
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:02,559
is trying to to to

750
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do something fishy with a slice we

751
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and

752
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,360
of course we are still

753
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,640
having to

754
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believe in the word of the woman who who

755
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:14,480
found them you know that

756
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:15,440
she

757
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:20,159
the cleaning up of this house in sedona

758
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,360
arizona

759
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,120
now of course if you've ever watched

760
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,080
these tv shows that cover crime scene

761
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,200
investigations like csi

762
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,360
or one of those shows and obviously

763
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,840
they're exaggerated it's television it's

764
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:35,919
all going to happen in 43 minutes unless

765
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:37,519
it's a two-parter

766
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:41,039
but they show very rigorous

767
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:42,000
chain

768
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,760
and here we have slides put somewhere

769
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:50,159
that originally were somewhere else and

770
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,919
we don't know who took them

771
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:53,279
and we don't know how they got where

772
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,559
they got

773
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:56,960
i mean it's just a complete

774
00:32:01,750 --> 00:31:59,600
completely ridiculous and i also think

775
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:01,760
if somebody had

776
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,919
genuine pictures of iti

777
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:05,519
or e.t or

778
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,799
these alleged aliens from roswell

779
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,880
they'd stick him in a box a slide

780
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,840
somewhere give me a break

781
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:16,559
yeah i feel that

782
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,080
how they

783
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,320
try to make their ca the case for the

784
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,760
slides is

785
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,039
one

786
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:26,000
trying to establish that the slides

787
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,960
weren't different from the 1940s and

788
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,240
they were not

789
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,840
some kind of uh

790
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,320
they were not tampered with right

791
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,760
and two

792
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:38,799
the the fact that uh the slides

793
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,039
the the the the body shown in the slides

794
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,600
had sought so many

795
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,080
anomalies in it that

796
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,600
there was no way it could have been

797
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:53,120
a human being

798
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,640
so therefore

799
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,399
what else could it be you know there's

800
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,799
some that's something that now son

801
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,200
repeated in in a number of

802
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,480
interviews

803
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,640
yeah so did it have four four fingers

804
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:06,320
you know in the

805
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,799
wrong number of ribs to make it human

806
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:11,120
that was the rumor going in

807
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,000
well

808
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,000
mausan

809
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,480
had a number of uh

810
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:19,279
forensic specialists

811
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,360
there in in the event two of them

812
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:23,440
mexican and one

813
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:29,750
professor who well

814
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,840
he wasn't on stage

815
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,000
what they showed was a recorded

816
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,480
interview with him so the first

817
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:37,679
expert

818
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:39,360
on stage was

819
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:42,960
jose de jesus salsa benitez

820
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,000
who

821
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:45,600
is a

822
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,789
working

823
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,039
well he's a member of the mexican navy

824
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,159
he well he has quite an impressive

825
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,360
resume

826
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,960
and he's done

827
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,519
all sorts of studies and specializations

828
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,600
and he was the one who

829
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,960
started

830
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,799
enumerating

831
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,839
point by point in a very

832
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,599
for a layman like me in a very

833
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,119
professional way you know why

834
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,440
dividing in the slides was

835
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:21,359
not a desiccated mummy was not a child

836
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,240
uh

837
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,280
he was not even a a human being was not

838
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,960
a primate it wasn't even a mammal

839
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,879
according to him

840
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,159
all right now

841
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,639
before we get into that let's back up a

842
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,800
little bit and let's go back to the

843
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:37,679
auditorium and let's frame the event and

844
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,760
then we'll start covering the evidence

845
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:41,119
but you're getting a sample of it here

846
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,200
there are people who testified that this

847
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,200
body seen in the slides

848
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:46,800
and you see it online i mean it's

849
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,560
everywhere those slides

850
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,720
now not necessarily high resolution the

851
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,240
ones we're seeing is still fairly low

852
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,440
resolution

853
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,159
but the body there they're claiming

854
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:58,000
it's not human although to me it just

855
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looks like

856
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,040
you know one of these pictures of a

857
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:02,640
mummy but what do i know i'm not a

858
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francis an analyst or anything like that

859
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,280
maybe we should get dr temperance

860
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,680
brennan from the bones novels in the tv

861
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,839
show let her go there and figure out

862
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,880
what they are

863
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but in any case i don't know if anybody

864
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:16,720
else knows what i'm talking about here

865
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,839
let's go back to the event itself so on

866
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may 5th

867
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,359
you get this big auditorium is it like a

868
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madison square garden what kind of venue

869
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is this what does it look like

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00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,000
well i'm afraid to say that i've never

871
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been to madison square garden yet or

872
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carnegie hall so i i i wouldn't have

873
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:38,720
wouldn't be able to compare them but

874
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the national auditorium is uh

875
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very big very extensive is is

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probably the most

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prestigious

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theater

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in

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on reforma avenue and reform avenue is

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all the big events in mexico city most

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[Music]

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this is kurt 7 the author of ufo

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mysteries and you're listening to the

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paracast

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00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,280
[Music]

1012
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,280
with gene and chris and red pill junkie

1013
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,280
we're trying to figure out the roswell

1014
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,440
slide so you have this major auditorium

1015
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,319
it holds about 10 000 people yeah 10 000

1016
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,079
suits and

1017
00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,560
they obviously charge for the tickets

1018
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,920
now we're not going to translate

1019
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,760
completely from pesos to american

1020
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:32,160
dollars but something like 20 to 100

1021
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:35,560
receipt is that about right yeah

1022
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:38,640
83.85 dollars in the most expensive how

1023
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,160
many people ended up showing up do you

1024
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,079
know what was your account

1025
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:44,800
well i tried to gauge how many people

1026
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:48,480
were while while the the event was

1027
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,599
running

1028
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,839
and then i read some of the

1029
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,240
newspapers who cover the story

1030
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,000
so based on

1031
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,480
on the figures they

1032
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,480
those newspapers claimed you know and

1033
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,720
obviously those maybe are conservative

1034
00:42:07,030 --> 00:42:05,359
figures but i will say that

1035
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,040
between

1036
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,640
6 500 to 7 000

1037
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,960
people attended the event

1038
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,359
now how fancy was it

1039
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,839
okay so this is a fancy place fancy

1040
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:19,760
concerts

1041
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,160
major entertainers are appearing there

1042
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:24,960
how fancy was this presentation

1043
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,839
well

1044
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,400
i mean the the sound was

1045
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,359
top-notch uh they they didn't really

1046
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,960
require

1047
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:35,040
that much and sophistication when it

1048
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,560
comes to lighting right you know they're

1049
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just

1050
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lighting

1051
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,839
people

1052
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
speaking on stage you know

1053
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,079
you don't have any kind of musical

1054
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,400
instruments or whatever

1055
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:49,440
but then again they were also showing

1056
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,560
all these

1057
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,880
videos on screen

1058
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,119
and they also have

1059
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:57,839
now some promise he will have a quote

1060
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,520
unquote hologram of the alien that will

1061
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,240
come alive and walk on stage and then

1062
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:06,960
when i i heard that i i

1063
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,079
imagine it will be something like

1064
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,040
the hologram of tupac in coachella

1065
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,040
giving a concert you know something some

1066
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,560
years uh

1067
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,079
and ago

1068
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:20,000
i thought oh well that that's gonna be

1069
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,040
pretty cool

1070
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:23,280
and but then again

1071
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,640
it wasn't really that impressive

1072
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,280
how long did this entire event take oh

1073
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:30,400
it was

1074
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:34,240
long it started around 7 30

1075
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,599
and it ended

1076
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,240
way after midnight

1077
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:41,440
oh boy yeah by the end of it my butt was

1078
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,560
begging for some disclosure

1079
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:46,000
oh boy

1080
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,520
well i don't know if i'd be able to

1081
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,680
handle it you know i think after two

1082
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,920
hours i kind of flake out but

1083
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:54,640
you know we'll go into that to keep

1084
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,280
being here it's a long event and was it

1085
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,119
just a constant

1086
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,200
presentation of information about this

1087
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,319
or what how did they pad it out to be

1088
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,200
five hours or so yeah i mean

1089
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,800
i i first

1090
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,800
at first i thought it was it was only

1091
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:12,160
going to be

1092
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,480
two hours maybe two and a half at the

1093
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,800
most but then after the first two hours

1094
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,880
when the slides

1095
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:20,880
hadn't been shown yet

1096
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,880
then i i've started to think well maybe

1097
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:25,520
this is going to take longer and

1098
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:26,800
only by

1099
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:29,920
after the third hour is that

1100
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:32,560
they show the slides but before that

1101
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,520
at first well jaime moussan

1102
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:36,720
opened

1103
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,760
the event you know he reset received a

1104
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:42,079
big ovation from the crowd he he gave a

1105
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:43,359
speech

1106
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:44,240
you know

1107
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:46,960
saying about well his

1108
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:53,510
he said quote unquote

1109
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,240
finally we have the evidence we

1110
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,800
we've been waiting for all this time he

1111
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,520
started to say about how modern science

1112
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,440
is still speculating about the

1113
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:04,560
probability

1114
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,760
of

1115
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:08,319
life in the universe not on not only

1116
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:10,960
intel intelligent life even biological

1117
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:14,960
life he mentioned miguel alcubierre you

1118
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,839
know that famous astrophysicist who has

1119
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:19,920
tried to come up with a theoretical

1120
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model for a a working warp drive that

1121
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will enable a spaceship to transverse

1122
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,640
large distances between the stars and

1123
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,560
starting to say that

1124
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,200
he said we welcome criticism

1125
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,400
and all

1126
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:36,319
questioning about the the present the

1127
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,400
evidence we're going to give

1128
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and all that and after that he then the

1129
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next person on stage well actually

1130
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all the present the the speakers

1131
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:49,200
remain on stage all the time they will

1132
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:52,640
see all sitting in some kind of uh

1133
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,520
small

1134
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:54,800
space

1135
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:57,200
in one of the corners of the stage where

1136
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,880
they put some chairs and whatnot so

1137
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,119
they stayed on that on on stage all the

1138
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,920
time and one by one they stopped stood

1139
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:07,359
up and and and

1140
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,560
went to the podium so the first person

1141
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,560
after mausan was

1142
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,200
james hertag who

1143
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,359
i'm sorry to say i have never heard of

1144
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,560
him and they say that he

1145
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,800
worked with and the late

1146
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:24,880
and john mack in the

1147
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,560
investigation of that famous and close

1148
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,880
encounters on that

1149
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,119
african school that

1150
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,280
that was i think it was 20 years ago

1151
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,520
actually so he gave some kind of speech

1152
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,599
that in my opinion was

1153
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,400
quite eloquent but i i really

1154
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:45,119
didn't understand what he was doing

1155
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,040
there you know because he i don't think

1156
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,599
he was involved in the investigation

1157
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,200
surrounding the slide you know he was

1158
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,599
just giving some kind of speech about

1159
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,680
brothers and sisters

1160
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,480
get ready and reclaim your place in

1161
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,880
history and prepare for the future for

1162
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,200
humanity's destiny in the cosmos and all

1163
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,200
that um okay

1164
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,880
very interesting but

1165
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,359
for a moment i think it was just like

1166
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,680
feeler you know i was about to say

1167
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:14,800
padding yes yeah yeah so exactly some

1168
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,839
kind of padding and after that they had

1169
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:18,560
a

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00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,560
skype connection with

1171
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:23,359
paul heller who was in canada and he

1172
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,440
also gave a speech in the similar tone

1173
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,319
how

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00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:30,079
the slides

1175
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,560
were going to be

1176
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,280
the nail in the coffin of skeptics and

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00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,720
liars

1178
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,640
and all that

1179
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:40,240
and

1180
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:44,880
he spoke about

1181
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:48,240
some 15 minutes you know talking about

1182
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,040
uh

1183
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,359
actually the the feedback in the in

1184
00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:53,119
during his uh

1185
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:55,839
skype session was pretty lousy for it

1186
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,000
was kind of hard to listen to him

1187
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,520
so he said you know

1188
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,839
it's time for the truth embargo to be

1189
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:04,800
lifted we must insist that

1190
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,440
that our gods tell us the truth we must

1191
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,079
change the paradigm a paradigm of peace

1192
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,720
and we must move towards a paradigm of

1193
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,280
peace and cooperation and all that

1194
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,839
you know a very elegant message and

1195
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,119
i'm sure that

1196
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:21,599
the people on the stage

1197
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:24,000
they enjoyed it because i'm not really

1198
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,200
sure if

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many of them had listened to mr heller

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00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,760
before

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00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,520
all right but how long did it take

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00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,440
before they actually started to present

1203
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,520
something as opposed to all these

1204
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,599
introductions

1205
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:40,559
well i think that at least

1206
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:43,920
at least one half to three hours that

1207
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,599
two and a half hours before excuse me

1208
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,319
yeah okay so basically

1209
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,599
before anything meaningful is presented

1210
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:55,599
it's half the show

1211
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,319
but

1212
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,839
during the point did they at least

1213
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,040
explain

1214
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:02,880
the background the slides oh yes

1215
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,680
after that skype station with hell yeah

1216
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,920
it was the turn of

1217
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,640
don smith and tom carey and they devoted

1218
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:11,920
about

1219
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,280
30 minutes to explain the basic

1220
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,200
backbone of the roswell case you know

1221
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:19,599
and started to talk about all the big

1222
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:21,920
players in the case you know

1223
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,200
mack bracel jesse marcel and all that

1224
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:27,520
and once again you will say well they

1225
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:29,920
are stalling you know they are like you

1226
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,040
said padding before the big reveal

1227
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,920
but then again i think that it was

1228
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,839
necessary for the people in order to

1229
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,599
fill the meme on

1230
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,160
maybe not not everyone is was as

1231
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,359
knowledgeable about the roswell case as

1232
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,040
will be

1233
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,240
people in the united states

1234
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,440
okay the big question of course is still

1235
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,599
were they ever able to make any

1236
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,680
connection at all

1237
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,079
between this stuff and roswell

1238
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:03,520
well like you like after uh

1239
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:05,440
carrie and schmidt it was the turn of

1240
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,559
that and you and that's how uh

1241
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,520
he started to to tell the story of the

1242
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:13,520
slides themselves right

1243
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:14,559
and

1244
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:21,680
the also the things that i had mentioned

1245
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,720
earlier about how the slides were found

1246
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,960
apparently they also found

1247
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,720
people who knew

1248
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,559
hilda blair and they

1249
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,480
interviewed those people and started to

1250
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:33,920
say about

1251
00:50:38,829 --> 00:50:36,800
what kind of person she was and

1252
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:38,839
also adam you

1253
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,640
mentioned a screen graph from an email

1254
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,359
exchange he had with some a person

1255
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,200
living in minnesota who claimed also to

1256
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,640
have known hilda blair and

1257
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,880
the person mentioned that the players

1258
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:54,559
were friends with

1259
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,880
barbara bush and george bush senior so

1260
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:01,040
once again you know they're trying to

1261
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,480
make the case these two people were very

1262
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,200
very well connected with the

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00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:09,599
what you will call the hoi polo of

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00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:10,800
american

1265
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:14,800
elites in the 1940s 1950s therefore

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00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,119
it could be possible that they had

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00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,000
access to a very

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00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,559
classified or sensitive material

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00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,559
we've got more to come about

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00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,200
not the roswell slides with red pill

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00:51:36,310 --> 00:51:29,680
junkie and gene and chris you're in the

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welcome back to the paracast the gold

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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[Music]

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00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,800
with gene and chris chris being

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somewhere

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on the road to his home in arizona and

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00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,680
from mexico red pill junkie

1328
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,720
and miguel of course attended

1329
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,040
the roswell slides were not the roswell

1330
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:26,800
slides presentation

1331
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:29,119
he wasn't given free seats

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00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:30,319
i don't think

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no

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00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:32,240
okay

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00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:34,000
and we're trying to dissect what's going

1336
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:36,319
on here so this portion of the show

1337
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,800
they're trying to explain who these

1338
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,920
people were

1339
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,480
of course they brought in tom carey and

1340
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:44,480
donald schmidt who obviously written

1341
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,240
books about roswell

1342
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:49,040
we also had richard dolan but he was

1343
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,800
on the sidelines he didn't actually

1344
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:52,480
participate did he

1345
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,240
he was the one in charge of uh

1346
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,720
wrapping up the event you know it was

1347
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:01,359
until the very end he i think that he

1348
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,800
spoke

1349
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,400
for

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00:55:07,270 --> 00:55:06,400
20 30 minutes

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00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:07,280
and

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00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,119
if he really

1353
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:11,599
he didn't really devote a lot of time

1354
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,440
talking about the slides he did

1355
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:17,200
admit that

1356
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,829
far from perfect that there were a lot

1357
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,760
of questions surrounding the the

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00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,040
provenance

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00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,240
and but he he said that

1360
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:32,319
what he hoped for the slides is to have

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00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:33,760
some kind of

1362
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:37,359
ripple effect and try to to undermine

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the

1364
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,359
world of silence that is covering that

1365
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:45,200
is protecting the the ufo secret uh from

1366
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:46,880
the uh

1367
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,599
within the the secret governments that

1368
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:52,559
is uh that is has been with uh

1369
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,079
withholding and this information from

1370
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the american public and the whole world

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00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,200
so and he also

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00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,640
gave these

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his thoughts about

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00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:06,079
disclosure

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00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,799
what happens next if

1376
00:56:13,270 --> 00:56:11,200
if the slides turn out to be genuine

1377
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,280
what will happen in a world after

1378
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,640
disclosure

1379
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:18,079
and let me also point out gene that i

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00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:22,319
didn't attend the roswell event alone i

1381
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:25,839
asked one of my cousins who is

1382
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:27,760
very interested also in the ufo

1383
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:30,720
phenomenal to to join me and the reason

1384
00:56:35,910 --> 00:56:34,000
i did so was twofold uh one well i

1385
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,920
didn't want to go alone

1386
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:38,880
and two i wanted to have

1387
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,240
an unfiltered opinion from someone who

1388
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,559
is a smart person

1389
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:47,200
interested in the topic and who made it

1390
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,079
obviously wasn't as immersed in the

1391
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:52,799
controversy surrounding the slides as i

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00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:53,680
was

1393
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,280
asked him you know well what do you

1394
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:59,040
think were you convinced what

1395
00:57:01,270 --> 00:57:00,240
and he said

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he found

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00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:04,079
everything to be very interesting and he

1398
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particularly was very interested by

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dolan's words he also hoped as all and

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00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:13,280
that the slides will have that kind of

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00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,520
ripple effect towards and the disclosure

1402
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,520
now just in retrospect here we're not

1403
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,720
going to

1404
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,880
go into much of this more until the end

1405
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,440
of the segment and that is the reaction

1406
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:27,680
i'm seeing is none too favorable

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00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,839
you know i'm looking over kevin randle's

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00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,880
blog

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00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,280
i don't see the people who had been

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00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,280
there to defend it like

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00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:37,920
blogger anthony mcbergalia

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00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,440
who had spent quite a bit of space

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00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:43,280
talking up this thing

1414
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:44,319
suddenly

1415
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,839
the event occurs

1416
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,000
and he's not anywhere to be found in

1417
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,480
kevin randle's block he's not responding

1418
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,880
just about everything we see there and

1419
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,400
you know you've participated

1420
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,760
as i have is a criticism of some sort

1421
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,000
yeah definitely

1422
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:01,280
i think that

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00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:04,079
99 well of maybe a hundred percent of

1424
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,079
the people participating in those blogs

1425
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,440
and i think in in

1426
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,079
english websites have been

1427
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:14,880
extremely critical of the whole event

1428
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:16,000
and they are

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00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:17,520
completely

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00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:20,960
by the

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00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:24,160
so-called evidence that they showed

1432
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,400
now there is a survey

1433
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,480
at the site run by a certain all-night

1434
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,640
radio show which we will not mention

1435
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:32,799
because i want to give them publicity

1436
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,359
and they have one of the slides up there

1437
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:37,040
and the questions are simple three

1438
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,079
questions

1439
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,319
do you believe it do you disbelieve it

1440
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,319
or are you not sure

1441
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:44,880
now when you add the disbelief

1442
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:47,520
to the one saying not sure

1443
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,680
you get something like 73 to 75 percent

1444
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,000
the rest believe it now this is to a

1445
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:55,599
radio show that

1446
00:59:01,510 --> 00:58:59,119
tends to cater to people who believe it

1447
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,520
so if these people

1448
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:02,960
are voting

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00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,760
that they don't know or don't believe it

1450
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,599
that doesn't argue well let me ask you

1451
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,119
about this since your cousin was there

1452
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:11,359
you were there could you get a sense and

1453
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,640
this is one of the questions from

1454
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,200
forum.thepowercast.com

1455
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:17,119
in our question bank

1456
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,920
one of the questions from one of our

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00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,040
esteemed highly esteemed regulars over

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00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:24,960
there and that is

1459
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,559
the crowd attending who they are what

1460
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:30,960
they seem to be there for

1461
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,640
what the mood is did you get a sense of

1462
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,920
the crowd

1463
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,240
did was it all older people young people

1464
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:37,680
a mixture what

1465
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:40,720
well i think it was a mixture

1466
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,839
actually my cousin was kind of surprised

1467
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:46,480
as i was that there were so many

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00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,280
like

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00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,079
he said old ladies attending right it

1470
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:52,880
was kind of surprising and

1471
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,640
there were also a few younger people and

1472
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,559
maybe probably the bulk

1473
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,920
were in the middle age you know

1474
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,960
40s

1475
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:05,520
50s you know people like myself i assume

1476
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:06,559
that

1477
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,599
most of the people attending this event

1478
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:11,040
they were

1479
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:15,599
in their teens when the famous ufo flap

1480
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:19,040
of the 1990s was occurring and back in

1481
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:22,079
those years jaime moussam was at the

1482
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:24,000
forefront of the

1483
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:24,880
the

1484
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,240
by citizens with

1485
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:36,880
the camcorders of those days

1486
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,760
on national television and i'm sure that

1487
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,400
many of those people are still

1488
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:45,119
supporting moussan and that's why

1489
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,319
they went

1490
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,920
and and and

1491
01:00:52,230 --> 01:00:49,599
they um

1492
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,240
responded to his uh summoning you know

1493
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,480
at the national auditorium

1494
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,720
so his general

1495
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:59,440
reputation in mexico is pretty solid

1496
01:01:02,870 --> 01:01:00,559
then

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01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:02,880
it's a mixture it's a mixed bag i think

1498
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:04,799
that some people

1499
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,839
um

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01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,280
have lost

1501
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:10,400
faith in his credibility i i i

1502
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,359
must admit i'm one of those people

1503
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,240
back in the 90s i idolized the man you

1504
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,000
know i think i mentioned that

1505
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:20,160
the first time i was at the paradigm you

1506
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:21,359
know i

1507
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:25,440
i remember that when we saw him on on tv

1508
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,920
and some of the skeptics of those years

1509
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:29,839
you know trying to question him and

1510
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,359
trying to argue with him you know uh

1511
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:35,520
the the the people supporting him will

1512
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:38,319
move and i will always cheer whenever he

1513
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:41,359
replied back so

1514
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,160
but

1515
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,240
as the years progressed

1516
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,440
um many of the cases that he

1517
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,720
supported

1518
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:50,079
and he showed

1519
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:52,400
they were shown to be

1520
01:01:54,789 --> 01:01:53,520
hoaxes

1521
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,799
right so

1522
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,839
uh

1523
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,880
i was

1524
01:02:02,230 --> 01:01:58,799
at first i thought that there weren't

1525
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,240
going to be as many people as

1526
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:04,720
are the ones who attended the the event

1527
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,680
i think well maybe you know a couple of

1528
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,680
thousands will come but it will be

1529
01:02:14,309 --> 01:02:12,079
mostly empty but now i was

1530
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,319
i was proven wrong you know the demand

1531
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,000
still got it

1532
01:02:21,030 --> 01:02:18,400
was there a lot of advertising retail

1533
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,040
advertising for this or just coverage in

1534
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:22,799
the news columns

1535
01:02:28,150 --> 01:02:25,760
mauson was involved in a very heavy and

1536
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:28,160
active promotion campaign

1537
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:28,960
he

1538
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:32,319
in

1539
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,960
listened to a couple of them you know

1540
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,160
most mostly radio stations aimed at the

1541
01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:42,880
younger crowd and yeah people were very

1542
01:02:46,630 --> 01:02:45,680
supportive well very very expectant of

1543
01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,640
of the

1544
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,440
the evidence that he was going to show

1545
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,520
so

1546
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,160
it was that and and a few

1547
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:57,599
articles in newspapers and also

1548
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:00,880
promoting the event so i'm not sure if

1549
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,520
he i'm i suspect that he also appeared

1550
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:05,440
on television a couple of times i'm sure

1551
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:06,400
he did

1552
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:09,440
because obviously he still is uh

1553
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:12,559
involved with televisa who is that which

1554
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,440
is the

1555
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,640
the biggest

1556
01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:17,599
uh tv

1557
01:03:23,270 --> 01:03:20,720
channel tv news and organization tv

1558
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:23,280
organization in mexico so i'm sure he

1559
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,319
was

1560
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:25,760
also promoting

1561
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:28,640
the event on tv but since i

1562
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:31,359
i had stopped watching tvs some years

1563
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:34,640
ago uh i'm not able to confirm that

1564
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,960
okay we've got red pill junkie

1565
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:39,200
with gene and chris we're talking about

1566
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,510
there's a man named dr joel wallach who

1567
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,599
is anything but your typical doctor both

1568
01:03:56,710 --> 01:03:53,920
a veterinarian and naturopathic

1569
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,720
physician doc asks why does the united

1570
01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,480
states spend more money on health care

1571
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:01,119
by far and still rank 50th in health and

1572
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,280
longevity worldwide he believes that

1573
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,039
people should empower themselves with a

1574
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,200
basic understanding of nutrition take

1575
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,720
charge of their health and attain

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01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,720
optimal health and longevity through

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nutrition not by toxic prescription

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01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,440
drugs that lead to side effects and more

1579
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:18,400
toxic prescription drugs doc wallach's

1580
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message is resonating with an increasing

1581
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,960
number of americans who are waking up to

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01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,880
all the big government big pharma and

1583
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,280
big insurance manipulation of our health

1584
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,520
care system i'm george dorey and i like

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01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:31,680
what doc wallach is saying and doing to

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01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:34,440
enlighten people about health care visit

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criticalhealthnews.com and listen to dr

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wallach's deadly recipes lecture it

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makes a lot of sense and i urge you to

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join our critical health news team go to

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buy gold if you believed that the

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government is doing a great job that the

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fed will stop handing out trillions of

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paid for a ticket went there with his

1680
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cousin to see this

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five-hour event

1682
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:24,400
we're kind of getting a little

1683
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:25,600
background here a little color

1684
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,279
background about the advertising about

1685
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,040
the people who attended

1686
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:31,199
we have a question from

1687
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:32,239
robert

1688
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:34,080
sometimes known as burnt state who's

1689
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:35,440
been on the show

1690
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:37,759
and it's a very frequent poster on our

1691
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,040
forums with nearly 3 200 messages

1692
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,480
and he'll

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01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:44,480
do just as many tomorrow

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01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:45,359
okay

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01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,239
first question who was there that you

1696
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,960
didn't expect to see

1697
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:53,920
i guess the the the one i didn't expect

1698
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,000
to see was uh james james horchak who

1699
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:01,279
like i said uh i didn't know about

1700
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:04,719
until until may the fifth i really

1701
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,679
couldn't really understand

1702
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,520
his involvement

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01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,679
in in this whole affair

1704
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,480
any notable absentees well paul hellyer

1705
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,040
was brought there by skype

1706
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,279
who did you expect to be there or who

1707
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:21,359
was advertised as being there who didn't

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01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,159
show

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01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,719
oh dr edgar mitchell do you know that

1710
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:27,600
was along with richard olland the the

1711
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,799
one person i was really hoping to see

1712
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:32,319
on stage you know

1713
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:36,480
but unfortunately he and was forbidden

1714
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,199
to travel to mexico by his doctor and

1715
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:40,799
due to health

1716
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,560
health issues i mean he's 84 84

1717
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,359
years old after all and i think it's

1718
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:49,759
fair to say that he has traveled

1719
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:52,640
more more than most of us you know

1720
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,760
lifetimes combined right so he wasn't

1721
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,280
there but

1722
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:58,560
moussan

1723
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:01,600
recorded an interview with him at his

1724
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:04,719
home in new mexico and

1725
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,400
he showed him the slides and showed the

1726
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,520
reactions he had of it you know and and

1727
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:12,800
he said well

1728
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,520
they looked like the one of the groups

1729
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:16,560
of of

1730
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,560
extraterrestrials visiting our planets

1731
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,239
it seems that

1732
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:22,640
the the features correspond with what

1733
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:25,600
the people in the roswell story claim to

1734
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:26,480
see

1735
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:29,600
so i mean i'm i'm not saying he gave a

1736
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,880
100 endorsement of it but you know

1737
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,520
he didn't say well this is a this is not

1738
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:37,920
a this is not an alien bodies it's a

1739
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,840
mummy or something you know

1740
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,880
okay

1741
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,560
next question

1742
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:44,560
this one semi-serious

1743
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,400
did you see any aliens in the crowd

1744
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,800
or on the screen i guess you only see

1745
01:10:55,430 --> 01:10:52,719
him on the screen if

1746
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,440
the slides show an alien

1747
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:57,360
man well maybe some people will think

1748
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:00,320
that i was an alien you know and a six

1749
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,120
foot four i kind of stand out in the

1750
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,920
mexican crowd but no i didn't see

1751
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,679
anyone with

1752
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:09,920
more than five fingers on his hand on

1753
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,280
their hands

1754
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:13,120
okay well maybe they were wearing gloves

1755
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:15,440
you couldn't tell exactly

1756
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:16,239
no

1757
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:28,560
either oh man

1758
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:31,280
you throw a good party and none of the

1759
01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:34,239
special guests show up

1760
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:41,030
www.rpj.com is available i shouldn't

1761
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:42,560
have said that because someone's going

1762
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,600
to get it

1763
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:45,840
and they'll say red pill junkie i'll

1764
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:47,280
sell it to you

1765
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:49,040
for a thousand dollars

1766
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,159
then

1767
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:52,239
they can keep it because

1768
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:54,640
no way no way i can afford that much

1769
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,239
it's worth 9.99 if you can get it okay

1770
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,320
that's it

1771
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:02,880
okay i have to think about it

1772
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:06,080
okay so we have this introduction takes

1773
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:07,280
forever

1774
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,679
finally the first slide is shown let me

1775
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:11,679
point out the second slide did not

1776
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,800
appear

1777
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:14,719
until just about the end and we'll go

1778
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,159
into that in a moment okay so

1779
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,880
these slides have already been

1780
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:22,719
at least the first one

1781
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,400
revealed in

1782
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:27,120
rather low resolution form online for a

1783
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,080
while

1784
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:30,080
there was no surprise there right

1785
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,960
well not for me anyway you know

1786
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,520
the slides were definitely more neat

1787
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:36,560
this

1788
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:40,159
more the features of of the body

1789
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:41,199
were

1790
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:43,760
much much clearer

1791
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,719
but it was the same slides right it was

1792
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,760
the same

1793
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,679
body

1794
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:50,719
propped

1795
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,840
inside some kind of glass showcase you

1796
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,840
know the same position

1797
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,000
and so uh

1798
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,400
to me there wasn't any any kind of

1799
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,600
surprise

1800
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,760
uh i don't know about

1801
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:06,719
the people attending and obviously i

1802
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:07,760
didn't

1803
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,960
show the slides to my cousin i never

1804
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:13,120
sent him some kind of link to say look

1805
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,800
this is the things that were they're

1806
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,719
going to show because that would have

1807
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,880
been a major spoiler

1808
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,000
so

1809
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,149
yeah

1810
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,920
okay so you see it

1811
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:27,920
the big reveal

1812
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,000
could you pick out any details that gave

1813
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:31,920
you any clues about anything obviously

1814
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,239
you're not an anthropologist you're

1815
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,320
not a scientist so

1816
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:38,880
you're giving a layman's opinion

1817
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:40,159
well

1818
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,000
the heads look

1819
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:44,800
kind of interesting you know the size of

1820
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,719
the eyes the the the the shape of the

1821
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:49,840
mouth

1822
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:53,679
what's the the the the apparent

1823
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:55,280
lack of

1824
01:14:00,550 --> 01:13:58,320
protruding nose and all that the fact

1825
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:00,560
that you couldn't really see

1826
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:03,600
a very defined hand and all that so

1827
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:04,480
uh

1828
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:05,679
it was

1829
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:10,880
that's that's that's all i could say you

1830
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,080
know it was peculiar i guess it's the

1831
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:15,920
word i'm trying to say

1832
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:19,920
and well obviously the fact that it was

1833
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:23,040
shown in some kind of showcase you know

1834
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:24,800
it reinforced

1835
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:27,840
my suspicion that the photo was taken in

1836
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:29,120
some kind of

1837
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,239
something

1838
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,280
and also the fact that the body was some

1839
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,360
kind of put over

1840
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:43,199
some type of uh

1841
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,320
cloth

1842
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,080
or or

1843
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:49,120
or blanket or something

1844
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,120
instead of i don't know

1845
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,520
i guess

1846
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:55,440
we're being spoiled by by the

1847
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,239
assumptions of of popular tv and say

1848
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,560
okay if they have alien bodies they will

1849
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,239
surely keep them

1850
01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:04,400
in some kind of liquid nitrogen or

1851
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:07,760
something right i mean after all

1852
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:10,880
a blanket under a glass yeah

1853
01:15:16,830 --> 01:15:12,320
it sounds wrong

1854
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:16,840
yeah i mean if if this was a genuine

1855
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,040
extraterrestrial body then you were

1856
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:21,040
talking about the most

1857
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,239
valuable biological specimen you know

1858
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,320
you know the whole history you know the

1859
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,640
most uh valuable

1860
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,640
object in the whole world keep it on an

1861
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:33,360
army blanket

1862
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,159
yeah

1863
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,719
you will keep it

1864
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:39,280
away from uh

1865
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:41,360
light away from

1866
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,800
from oxygen you know completely secure

1867
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:46,640
also i assume

1868
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,920
that any physicians worth their salt

1869
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:51,600
would want to

1870
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,000
quarantine this creature

1871
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,239
in case it has alien

1872
01:16:01,110 --> 01:15:58,560
viruses or something

1873
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,120
you can't just have people there

1874
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,360
without wearing some kind of

1875
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:05,280
hazmat uniform i don't know what they

1876
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:07,280
had back in the late 40s

1877
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:09,199
but you would think

1878
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:10,400
that

1879
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:12,960
they would take precautions

1880
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,960
so as not to infect people this is an

1881
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,320
alien this is

1882
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:18,080
from who knows where

1883
01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:19,600
you can't just leave it out in the open

1884
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,760
i mean we'll go into that in a moment

1885
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:24,480
who is that person in the blue dress the

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devil in the blue dress

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hi this is bryce abel i'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of ad after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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paracast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio

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[Music]

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chris is sounding a little bit digital

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these days because he has become a

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digital person no seriously he's on the

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road with his iphone and he's doing the

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best we can red pill junkie miguel from

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mexico is here the well-known

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paranormal blogger who agreed to come

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here to tell us about his experiences

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attending the great event

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be a witness to the roswell review i'm

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looking

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here at a low resolution photo from open

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mind site

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and as you say it looks like some kind

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of museum exhibit

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on some kind of blanket there's also

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some kind of label there that you can't

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see in this slide we'll get into that in

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a moment and then you see what looks

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like a woman with a blouse and a blue

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dress the devil in the blue dress or the

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devil and the details

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so it's bad enough that she's not

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wearing a uniform to protect herself

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from alien viruses

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does anyone theorize who she might be

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maybe eisenhower or something

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maybe it was jethro hoover you know

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i understand he did that sort of thing

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yeah

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also

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if someone is watching the

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the image in on their computer screen

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look to the thing that is behind the

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alien body you know that thing that is

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on the left side that looks like some

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kind of

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wolf some people are calling it the wolf

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wolfman head

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nick redfern on his blog pointed it out

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and i also

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it also caught my eye yesterday and i

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tweeted and say well what's up with that

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you know did they also keep that that

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bigfoots in that in that air force

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hangar

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the location is screwy as anything it's

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not a medical table that bothers me it

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looks like something that wasn't just

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dissected the day before that it was

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there for many years and this slide was

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taken in 1947

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if this is the roswell creature

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did exposure to our atmosphere age it

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immediately

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yeah or maybe one of the things that um

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salse er ben avide is uh mentioned in

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his

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uh presentation it's salsa venice story

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is that

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in his opinion the

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yellow ochre coloration in the body was

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maybe probably the result of

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some kind of exposure to formaldehyde or

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something all right now let's look at

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this here now you had

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supposed experts testifying

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during this presentation as to what that

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creature was and why it can't be a mummy

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which is another theory it's a mummy a

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mummy of a child

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and i've seen other photos

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of mummies of children that are not

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dissimilar

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so were they extraterrestrials too

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well

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the guy like i said that he went uh

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point by point

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giving and

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his reasons why

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uh in his opinion

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the body was not of a child

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for ex and he it wasn't also um a

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desiccated mummy he said he mentioned

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that with mummys the

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ocular globes

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of the of the eyes get to receive

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inside the sockets of the skull and

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that's not the case with this specimen

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and he also said

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that the body had six ribs

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on the ribcage that is com not not

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according to

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a human anatomy did that

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the the bones of the wrist were also not

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apparent

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that the the body bones of the elbow was

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anomalous that the length of the bone

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from the you know from the color of the

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of the

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shoulder to the elbow was not according

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to to to

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[Music]

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a normal human body so he said that he

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went through through all the

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8 000

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rare congenital syndromes that are

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recorded by

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the world health organization and

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455 demorphisms produced by

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illnesses

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so he went and discarded them one by one

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in his study app and apparently the guy

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spent two months studying this

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this single image alone and then he came

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to the opinion that

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the body was not compatible with human

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life

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now we don't know that's a body it could

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be something somebody prepared for a

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science fiction film

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we don't know that it was ever anything

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that actually lived yeah well the second

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person who gave a scientific testimony

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was

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richard dobble

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they gave their resume on screen and

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he's apparently some kind of

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retiree academician who studied at the

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university of toronto and torino

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he was a a college professor in several

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universities

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he he has studied

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the anatomy of of virtual spined animals

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and primate anatomy and

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comparison evolutionists what not

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so he said

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he

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more or less reaffirmed what squat salty

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had already said

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and

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he said that it was not a human child

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and he also said that

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it probably wasn't some kind of

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mannequin you know the argument was that

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in order to produce

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some that kind of mannequin it would

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have required a great amount of

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expertise in and biology and

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comparative anatomy so his argument was

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that

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what the body show was some kind of uh

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convergent evolution it wasn't

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uh

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a primate but it was something that had

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evolved in in the in the same the same

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way that we human beings have in this

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planet

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hmm

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all right so they're painting a picture

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here that sort of kind of makes sense

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01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,040
that

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they can't attribute this to being a

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human person and they're trying to at

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01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,040
least come up with explanations as to

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why they think it was once a real human

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01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,280
being

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01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:39,280
now they said six

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ribs

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and i'm looking at the blow up

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and this one's from theblackfault.com

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01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,600
and i can't count six ribs here what am

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i missing

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01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,239
well the guys say six ribs and possibly

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a seventh one that wasn't visible

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01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:01,040
because of the

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cloth covering the neck they suspected

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that maybe the the head was

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removed from the from the neck

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so well

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they also pointed out to the anomalies

2160
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:19,360
in the pelvis bones you know so

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in their in their opinion and this being

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seems didn't seem to have some kind of

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the definitive

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01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:30,560
definite

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gender you know a sexy they couldn't

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01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,400
point out whether it was a male or a

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female

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okay you know we are going to bring on a

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surprise guest in just a moment so just

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hold on

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01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:43,120
ladies and gentlemen as we prepare to

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wrap up this segment of the power cast

2173
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:48,639
we're joined here by someone else who

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was actually present

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on the stage

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01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:54,560
i guess of the roswell slides

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01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,159
presentation in mexico and that's

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richard dolan richard fast welcome to

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01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,679
the power cast we have about one minute

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left of this segment and then we'll have

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01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:06,000
you on for another 10 minutes or so so

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01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:08,080
before we go on thank you very much for

2183
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,600
taking the time

2184
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:11,679
my pleasure gina we've been ragging on

2185
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,840
this a little bit as you might expect a

2186
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:15,840
lot of people have no doubt

2187
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:18,560
now before we go on just a very brief

2188
01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:19,679
summary

2189
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,280
do you think it's really worth further

2190
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:24,320
investigation um i do i do look i'm not

2191
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:25,840
endorsing these slides i just want to

2192
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,280
make that very clear right at the outset

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01:29:32,310 --> 01:29:30,719
and i'm not debunking them either um i i

2194
01:29:33,669 --> 01:29:32,320
think that there's a few pieces of

2195
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,679
information that have not been made

2196
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,679
available to the public they were on the

2197
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,040
live stream but apparently everyone

2198
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,840
missed it and that was uh analyses

2199
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:42,320
provided by three particular scientists

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two who of whom were spanish-speaking

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who gave in my opinion

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01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,280
very detailed physiological analyses of

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01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,440
of the body in question we'll get into

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01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,040
that in the next segment because we were

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01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,120
talking about that with miguel red pill

2206
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,760
junkie getting into that presentation i

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01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,920
want to get into more of that with you

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01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,080
richard dolan is going to be here for

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one more segment with red pill junkie

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[Music]

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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

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so we have a surprise edition to this

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week's

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episode of the power cast richard dolan

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long time ufo researcher and historian

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who joins us

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and as i said

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red pill junkie was explaining this

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presentation

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why the body you see in the picture

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cannot possibly be

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a mummy or something like that is that

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what impressed you most about everything

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forgetting everything else richard

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um i think so i mean i

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um

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i had a long bit of hesitation before

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going to come down to do the event i

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will just say that but i agreed to after

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i had long conversations with don

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schmidt who i i had some people like to

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criticize don i don't get that i love

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don i think he's an excellent researcher

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and um

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and then tony bergalia who i don't think

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a lot of people know about but i've i've

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long respected tony's work uh he keeps

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kind of a low profile in the field but

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he wrote a lot about this um over the

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past couple of years

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and after talking with him i thought

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well they have reason to think that

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there's there's something there and for

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me to turn down an opportunity to look

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at at something that's on the front line

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i mean my attitude is this if if i'm

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supposed to be investigating a mystery

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and i decline to

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look at something that i think is

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genuinely intriguing then what am i even

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bothering for

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um

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so i wanted to go i wanted to see it

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firsthand i wanted to be there when i

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arrived in mexico city i met with jaime

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moussan and um

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immediately was able to see the uh

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high-res images of the slides not the

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01:35:48,629 --> 01:35:46,719
physical slides but you know good

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high-res versions of them

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and those are interesting to me you know

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i i have not been an expert in in

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mummies and and um that i i will uh

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freely agree that those slides and i

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told us to the guys as well

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that uh the images

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at least on the face of it look like

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they're museum pieces

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i have no problem with that assessment i

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think that they do

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but the issue is when you reconstruct

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the body or when they reconstructed the

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body based on the testimony

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of uh let's see three individuals one is

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dr luis antonia de alba galindo he was

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01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,000
there i met him jose benitez who's a

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01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:28,480
forensics expert with the

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mexican military i'm trying to read the

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spanish here and then a canadian richard

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doble

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who

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also i really seem like very much an

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01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:39,679
expert in forensics and physiology i

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01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:41,120
listen to the testimony of all three of

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them

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and

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look i'm just going to say that i i

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don't believe that a single one of the

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01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:50,080
critics that i've encountered

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has listened to any of those three

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gentlemen

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i i don't think any of them have been

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listened to

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and and partly it's not their fault

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because when the live stream was done

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a the translations were not always good

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from what i understand and then b it got

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cut out during the whole second half

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which was when all of those

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01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,119
presentations were done

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oh boy that doesn't that doesn't work

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01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:13,760
and that was just a technical glitch

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01:37:17,189 --> 01:37:15,360
i don't think that was anticipated by

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01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:17,199
anyone but it really did detract from

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01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:18,880
the presentation

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01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,199
now again i uh i think that the dating

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01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,239
of the slides is very solid the i don't

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really think that anyone's going to be

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01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:27,119
able to argue persuasively that the

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01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:28,800
slides are not from the late 1940s

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01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:31,679
basically from 1947 1949 is where

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01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,440
they've been nailed down

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01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:35,119
i think that's solid

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01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,560
i don't think anyone there are some

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01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,080
people who are arguing it's a hoax which

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01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,719
i think is absurd i even heard a comment

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01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,320
that someone said the picture was

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01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:44,080
intentionally blurred which is i think

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01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:46,560
total nonsense as well

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01:37:50,629 --> 01:37:48,800
i think the images are certainly genuine

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01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,639
and the question is what what are they

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01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:52,880
there is an interesting connection that

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01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,480
uh adam do and um is basically adam duke

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01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,719
found with with hilda ray

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01:38:01,750 --> 01:38:00,400
and bernard ray which is to the

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01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:01,760
eisenhower's

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01:38:06,390 --> 01:38:04,480
that's probably true also to the bush

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01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,400
family this is a couple that really did

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01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:07,920
get around they were well connected that

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01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,760
doesn't prove that they were

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01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,639
um

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01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:12,320
therefore able to get access to alien

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01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,080
bodies of course but

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01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,679
on the other hand

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01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:17,280
it could be conceivable one might

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01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:19,119
imagine that this could be the case the

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01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:21,199
real question

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01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:22,000
is

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01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,520
turn out to be human or not human

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01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:29,920
what jaime moussan did is he gathered or

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01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,719
was able to help together three

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01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:34,880
uh specialists

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01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,119
this was their conclusion that it was

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01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:39,360
not human now i

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01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,560
you know i i listen to them they're very

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01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,719
specific about their arguments as to why

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01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,880
it is not a mummy

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01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,320
i don't feel like i'm in a position to

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01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,920
argue with these guys so in that basis i

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01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:51,199
think it's interesting and what i've

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01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:54,719
been saying to that that team all along

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01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,040
and i'm not a member of that team but

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01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:59,280
i've i'm friendly with them and i've

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01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:00,960
been saying all along what you've got to

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01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:03,360
do put up a website get all of the

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01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:06,000
translations up on that site so everyone

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01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:08,400
in the english-speaking communities

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01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,600
turning this whole thing into like an

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01:39:13,109 --> 01:39:11,679
armageddon can at least read the

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01:39:15,830 --> 01:39:13,119
analysis and if you're going to debunk

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01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,840
it start with those in my opinion and if

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01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:17,440
that gets debunked

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01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:18,320
then

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01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:20,960
i would just say let's move on but if

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01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,320
critics are going to criticize these

2442
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:24,560
slides without looking at those specific

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01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:27,520
arguments and i i can't really sanction

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01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:28,560
that

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01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:32,159
i seriously doubt these slides could

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01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:34,400
ever be considered proof of anything

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01:39:38,070 --> 01:39:36,560
their slides are not the actual body so

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01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,080
that's a problem there there's always

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01:39:42,070 --> 01:39:40,400
going to be a question of provenance

2450
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:42,080
and on those two bases alone they're not

2451
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:43,280
ever going to be considered proof to

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01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,880
certain people

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01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:46,880
but i've also felt that debunking them

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01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,880
might be a real challenge now

2455
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,880
the one way to debunk them is to prove

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01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,800
that that's a child mummy what i would

2457
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:55,600
like to see would be a qualified expert

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01:39:59,270 --> 01:39:57,360
a truly qualified expert not some

2459
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,280
armchair person there's a lot of those

2460
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,199
chiming in these days but someone who

2461
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,880
actually knows the field who can say

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01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:05,280
definitively no the ribs are actually

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01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:06,239
fine

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01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:10,000
there's typical of a child mummy then

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01:40:12,790 --> 01:40:11,760
then you know we got a couple of those

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01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,800
in there then

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01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:14,639
i would certainly um

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01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:16,719
agree that you know they're not they're

2469
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,920
not anything other than an interesting

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01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:19,040
mummy

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01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,480
miguel you have a question of richard

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01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,280
dolan uh yeah i do uh uh first hi

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01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:25,360
richard you know let's play miguel here

2474
01:40:30,229 --> 01:40:27,840
for speaking with you uh my question was

2475
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:30,239
and whether you had the chance to to

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01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:33,040
talk at length uh and maybe even

2477
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:36,960
privately with either jose de jesus

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01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,719
or dr luis de alva galindo

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01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,400
the problem that i had in talking with

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01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:44,000
him is that their english was very

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01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,639
limited and my spanish was very limited

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01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,320
and i tried i mean i met with both of

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01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:50,239
them um

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01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:52,800
you know they both they're both um

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01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:56,159
particularly jose benitez um i did

2486
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:57,600
have like little bits of chat here and

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01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,960
there but

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01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:00,960
spent some time in the room with him and

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01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,360
i i seemed to like him and we seem to

2490
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,560
get along fine but we really couldn't

2491
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,880
have a communication unfortunately i was

2492
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:08,960
able to listen to both of their lectures

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01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,119
live during translation

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01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:12,880
and before they spoke i had become

2495
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,639
familiar with what they were talking

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01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,400
about anyway after having conversations

2497
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,119
with uh with haimi musan about it

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01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,440
and he pretty accurately netted down

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01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:23,600
with what their arguments were and and

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01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:24,800
then during the event i was able to

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01:41:27,030 --> 01:41:25,840
listen to them through english

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01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:27,040
translation

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01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:28,639
for unfortunately i couldn't really talk

2504
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:30,320
with them any more than that

2505
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:33,520
okay and my second question would be

2506
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:36,400
what was your general impression of them

2507
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:38,400
you know it it seemed to me you know

2508
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:39,360
being

2509
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,920
in the audience listening that

2510
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:43,760
salsa venitas was

2511
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,560
open-minded but neutral you know in

2512
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:48,080
the full thing about

2513
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:50,560
uh ufos and aliens at least

2514
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:53,280
prior to to getting involved with that's

2515
01:41:59,350 --> 01:41:56,639
that is exactly what i agree with that

2516
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:59,360
and yet his if you recall his analysis

2517
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,719
well i'd like to know what you think i

2518
01:42:04,550 --> 01:42:02,400
thought his analysis was very very

2519
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,560
forthright and he seemed very confident

2520
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,719
in his conclusions his qualifications

2521
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:08,880
seemed strong to me as well

2522
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:11,199
so i have to say i thought jose benitez

2523
01:42:16,149 --> 01:42:12,000
was

2524
01:42:19,270 --> 01:42:16,159
saying that now that doesn't mean that i

2525
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:19,280
think he can't be uh disputed or even

2526
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:21,199
debunked i don't know

2527
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,639
but again

2528
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:25,520
my frustration with the critics has

2529
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:27,520
simply been no one has mentioned his

2530
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,840
testimony or his analysis

2531
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:31,760
and um and no one has mentioned the

2532
01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:34,000
analysis of dr luis antonio de alba

2533
01:42:37,350 --> 01:42:35,360
galindo

2534
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:37,360
i had a very good vibe on both of them

2535
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,719
when i met them

2536
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:41,280
particularly jose salse benitez i mean

2537
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:44,800
um i liked him yeah my impression of

2538
01:42:49,990 --> 01:42:47,119
alba galindo was that he certainly

2539
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:50,000
seemed to be more on the believer camp

2540
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:52,239
you know and my own personal take is

2541
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:52,960
that

2542
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,400
he seemed to

2543
01:42:58,790 --> 01:42:56,880
have been extrapolating

2544
01:43:02,709 --> 01:42:58,800
way more

2545
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:02,719
uh things about the slides than what

2546
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,040
i think someone should be comfortable

2547
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,199
with you know the idea that he's

2548
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:10,080
mentioned how in his opinion the body

2549
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:13,199
showed that he can evolve in in some

2550
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:15,760
kind of atmosphere

2551
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,679
in a place without atmosphere you know

2552
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:19,760
some kind of you know without any kind

2553
01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:23,840
of gravity and how they say that and he

2554
01:43:28,149 --> 01:43:25,760
seemed to be some kind i recall this and

2555
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,159
i i agree that was a real stretch and

2556
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:30,639
there's just no point to go

2557
01:43:36,310 --> 01:43:33,920
there the canadian uh forensic uh

2558
01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,320
scientist richard doble who spoke out of

2559
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:38,480
his home on skype i actually thought was

2560
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,360
quite

2561
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,440
interesting also

2562
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,440
he went to he tended to speculate a

2563
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,199
little more than i would have liked but

2564
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,960
his technical information i thought was

2565
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,800
was still interesting

2566
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:50,800
and in line i thought with uh with the

2567
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,520
other two gentlemen so so this is why

2568
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:55,600
like as soon as that that conference

2569
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,560
ended

2570
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:58,400
i mean i i'll freely admit at the end of

2571
01:44:01,669 --> 01:44:00,080
it i thought this is actually the

2572
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,679
beginnings of maybe what might be a

2573
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,760
consensus and so i was i was actually

2574
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,600
very happy to say it i spoke to some

2575
01:44:09,109 --> 01:44:07,280
media in the aftermath

2576
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,119
that um

2577
01:44:12,870 --> 01:44:10,800
look you know this is this could be the

2578
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:12,880
beginning of a consensus and only time

2579
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,960
will tell and i said this many times uh

2580
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whether it will be or not and what we

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now need are our other qualified

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individuals to have access to the same

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data richard dolan is spending a few

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minutes with us with red pill junkie and

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and now

2638
01:48:00,470 --> 01:47:57,570
here's gene steinberg

2639
01:48:02,310 --> 01:48:00,480
[Music]

2640
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:02,320
richard dolan has to leave in a moment

2641
01:48:06,310 --> 01:48:03,679
so let's just talk to him a little bit

2642
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:06,320
further we have red pill junkie talking

2643
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:08,639
about the roswell slides or as kevin

2644
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:12,000
randle says not the roswell slides

2645
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,679
with gene and chris

2646
01:48:17,270 --> 01:48:15,440
now that's the big thing when i ask you

2647
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:17,280
before you leave richard and that is

2648
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,199
sure even if this represents a possibly

2649
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:24,239
alien creature even if it once was a

2650
01:48:27,750 --> 01:48:25,600
living being

2651
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,760
we can't assume it's roswell

2652
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,440
no i agree with that totally agree with

2653
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,239
that now don and uh don schmidt and tom

2654
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,320
carrey do believe that it represents the

2655
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:36,719
creature from roswell their feeling is

2656
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,960
they they think that the slide is from

2657
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:41,280
fall of 1947 they have their reasons for

2658
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,280
thinking that maybe they're right

2659
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:45,520
and if you know if you go on those

2660
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:47,040
various assumptions you would say well

2661
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:48,719
it makes the most sense

2662
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:50,960
uh the reconstruction of the creature

2663
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:52,400
that was done

2664
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:56,080
they maintained is a reasonably close

2665
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:57,920
facsimile to the descriptions that uh

2666
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:00,480
witnesses had of the roswell creature

2667
01:49:04,709 --> 01:49:02,880
i don't know maybe but no i'm with you

2668
01:49:05,910 --> 01:49:04,719
on that gene i i don't think

2669
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:05,920
i don't know who called it the roswell

2670
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,920
slides i don't think they did

2671
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:10,080
eventually i think they picked up on us

2672
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,880
though

2673
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,400
they have i mean i think they've gone

2674
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:15,040
with the flow on it but i agree i mean

2675
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,840
it's um if it if we could determine that

2676
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:19,920
it's a truly anomalous creature that's

2677
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,520
still not the same as connecting it to

2678
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:23,280
roswell but that to me is of lesser

2679
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:24,800
importance anyway

2680
01:49:30,149 --> 01:49:27,280
richard dolan thank you for taking time

2681
01:49:33,189 --> 01:49:30,159
out for a surprise appearance here in

2682
01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:33,199
the power cast well i'm glad to do it uh

2683
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,040
since this whole thing happened this is

2684
01:49:38,550 --> 01:49:37,199
the first time in my career in ufology

2685
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:38,560
that i've gotten actually a lot of hate

2686
01:49:43,590 --> 01:49:39,360
mail

2687
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,950
i mean every now and then in the past i

2688
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,400
would get i guess some really hard

2689
01:49:49,990 --> 01:49:48,320
critics you know coming in on me but uh

2690
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:50,000
no this is like a totally different

2691
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,159
guys in the field doesn't deserve that

2692
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:54,159
thank you so much chris well uh i'm

2693
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,520
riding through and it's perfect it's

2694
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:57,600
okay honestly i mean i understand how

2695
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,159
this issue can just generate such strong

2696
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,239
opinions what i i'll just add though

2697
01:50:07,109 --> 01:50:04,320
what i'm i find a little bit um

2698
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:07,119
disappointing is just the vitriol

2699
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:09,280
that i have witnessed even long before i

2700
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:11,119
got involved in this just observing this

2701
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,719
case or as it developed over the last

2702
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:14,560
couple of years and the character

2703
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:16,639
assassination i mean if people like tom

2704
01:50:20,790 --> 01:50:19,119
carrey when i hear of people describing

2705
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,800
tom carrey as a con man i just want to

2706
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:22,800
laugh i spent the entire last weekend

2707
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:24,960
with tom and he is the opposite of a

2708
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:27,119
smooth operator in every possible way

2709
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,639
that i can imagine and he'd be the first

2710
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:29,840
to agree with that

2711
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:32,400
he's the age of my dad he's very set in

2712
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:34,639
his ways he likes a quiet life

2713
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:36,239
he's uh

2714
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:39,199
he's not me i mean you might find things

2715
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,280
to disagree with him about his research

2716
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,360
fine be my guest but i mean there are

2717
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:45,119
people out there who are just saying the

2718
01:50:50,149 --> 01:50:47,679
most really vicious things about these

2719
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:50,159
guys and i just don't see it you know i

2720
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,000
just i don't see why it's necessary if

2721
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,760
you want to disagree with someone

2722
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:55,600
uh stay on point

2723
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:58,159
my only consideration here is maybe

2724
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:59,920
they try too hard to make that

2725
01:51:03,109 --> 01:51:00,960
connection

2726
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,119
and that's it if that's so then that's

2727
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,360
so but uh that doesn't make them bad

2728
01:51:09,030 --> 01:51:07,360
people in it no

2729
01:51:11,590 --> 01:51:09,040
no i mean that's just not the way to

2730
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,600
conduct a discussion on anything uh you

2731
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:13,199
know stick to the main line stick to the

2732
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,520
facts but what i really i've i've told

2733
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:16,960
these guys in fact i went to the airport

2734
01:51:21,350 --> 01:51:19,920
with him this morning out of mexico city

2735
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,360
and i said

2736
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:23,280
for the umpteenth time i said a website

2737
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,360
has to go up and they agree with us and

2738
01:51:28,870 --> 01:51:27,199
uh it's got to go up with all of the

2739
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,880
data kind of like a home base for the

2740
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:30,480
slides with the slides themselves

2741
01:51:34,709 --> 01:51:31,600
high-res

2742
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,719
with all of the testimony the analysis

2743
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:37,760
um the videos uh interviews at a company

2744
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,960
the whole thing just so that everyone

2745
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,320
can go to it

2746
01:51:44,390 --> 01:51:42,719
and and then be able to

2747
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,400
have access to that information i think

2748
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:46,400
that's really the only way to move ahead

2749
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:48,239
that's what this is about and i i do

2750
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:49,679
believe that they will be doing that in

2751
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,880
the next week

2752
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,880
um i'm actually anxious that they get it

2753
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,480
done because for my sake as well just

2754
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:55,679
personally i just want this whole thing

2755
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:58,480
done and up there and i again i don't

2756
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:02,159
feel a need to argue pro or khan i had

2757
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:03,520
no problem saying that i was impressed

2758
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,880
by the testimony of the scientists

2759
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,159
that's the main thing that's kept me

2760
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:08,159
interested until now

2761
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:09,920
richard dolan thank you for joining us

2762
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,159
very briefly on the power cast

2763
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,480
my pleasure thanks gene

2764
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:16,880
so that came as a surprise folks a big

2765
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:18,159
surprise

2766
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:19,119
we

2767
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,639
had richard dolan making a brief

2768
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,560
appearance here and he was one of the

2769
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,920
people who

2770
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:26,320
appeared if only briefly during this

2771
01:52:29,430 --> 01:52:27,599
presentation

2772
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,440
now miguel having

2773
01:52:32,870 --> 01:52:31,440
had that brief conversation with richard

2774
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,880
dolan

2775
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,960
what is your take on it

2776
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:35,840
well

2777
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:38,320
uh the first time i

2778
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:40,639
heard that that rich

2779
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,880
have been approached by moussan and

2780
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:45,040
accepted to get involved

2781
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,080
in the whole thing i was kind of worried

2782
01:52:53,830 --> 01:52:50,880
for his sake because well i like rich i

2783
01:52:56,470 --> 01:52:53,840
had the pleasure to to meeting him

2784
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:56,480
for the first time last year at the

2785
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,520
paradigm symposium he is a very likable

2786
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,679
guy very approachable you know very very

2787
01:53:08,149 --> 01:53:04,159
congenial you know

2788
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:08,159
we had a chance to to to chat a few a

2789
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:11,920
few nights during the the paradigm event

2790
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:14,000
and i was kind of worried because i

2791
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:15,760
really feared

2792
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,800
that

2793
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:19,119
moussan was going to

2794
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:23,280
use his reputation in the ufo field as a

2795
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:26,560
promoting tool for the event and i i

2796
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:29,440
must reluctantly say that that was kind

2797
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:31,520
of the case you know i've heard on

2798
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:34,880
several times moussan saying you know

2799
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:35,679
how

2800
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,400
people thought that someone like with

2801
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:40,960
the stature of richard dolan or don

2802
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:43,280
smith on schmidt or tom carrey would

2803
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:46,960
risk their careers with something like

2804
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:47,679
uh

2805
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,239
the slides of a mummy you know they did

2806
01:53:55,589 --> 01:53:52,000
they think that they were stupid or

2807
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,599
something so i felt ah man this guy is

2808
01:54:00,550 --> 01:53:57,760
is is really

2809
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:00,560
using them you know as pawns on this

2810
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,520
chessboard and i also i have to point

2811
01:54:06,790 --> 01:54:05,520
out this is not the first time he has

2812
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:06,800
tried to do that

2813
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:09,440
i remember that some years ago when he

2814
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:13,840
was promoting what he said was the body

2815
01:54:17,430 --> 01:54:16,639
of a small alien found

2816
01:54:20,149 --> 01:54:17,440
by

2817
01:54:21,510 --> 01:54:20,159
some farmer i i don't remember when

2818
01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:21,520
exactly

2819
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,480
but

2820
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:24,639
in the end it turned out to be nothing

2821
01:54:28,310 --> 01:54:25,440
but

2822
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,320
the body of of a monkey you know a

2823
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:30,320
skinned monkey

2824
01:54:33,750 --> 01:54:32,000
he approached

2825
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:33,760
a very prominent

2826
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:35,840
researcher in the 14th field that

2827
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:38,800
happens to be a friend of mine i i i

2828
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:40,880
don't want to to to give up his name

2829
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,639
because well

2830
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:45,040
the thing transpired on a private

2831
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,360
conversation via email and i also don't

2832
01:54:51,430 --> 01:54:49,760
want to brag about you know oh i'm

2833
01:54:52,470 --> 01:54:51,440
friends with also

2834
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:52,480
but

2835
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:55,760
my friend approached me and said miguel

2836
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:56,960
moussan

2837
01:55:03,030 --> 01:54:59,920
has contacted me and he has sent me

2838
01:55:05,350 --> 01:55:03,040
information about this

2839
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:05,360
this thing that he found and he wants me

2840
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,960
to do to see if he if i get involved in

2841
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:10,800
in the investigation

2842
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,480
and i

2843
01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:14,639
said to my friend you know be aware that

2844
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:16,880
mousant has already

2845
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:18,880
shown this

2846
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:21,920
so-called alien body on national mexican

2847
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:24,800
television and i'm not i'm not sure if

2848
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:28,159
he has already told you that and if that

2849
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,000
turned out to be the case moussant

2850
01:55:34,149 --> 01:55:32,320
hadn't revealed to my friend that he

2851
01:55:37,270 --> 01:55:34,159
that the body had had already been

2852
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,280
publicly revealed and then because of

2853
01:55:42,950 --> 01:55:40,000
that my friend decided to turn down

2854
01:55:45,270 --> 01:55:42,960
moussan's request and he didn't get

2855
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:45,280
involved in that and well i think it was

2856
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,040
all for the better because it turned out

2857
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:49,280
to be nothing but a hoax

2858
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:51,280
now what i'm seeing here of course is

2859
01:55:55,189 --> 01:55:53,119
that we have three

2860
01:55:57,750 --> 01:55:55,199
expert witnesses like you have at a

2861
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:57,760
trial who testify

2862
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,280
in favor of the plaintiff the

2863
01:56:04,229 --> 01:56:02,159
prosecution prosecuting the case that

2864
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,239
there's two slides

2865
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,159
of e.t

2866
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,080
on the other hand you know

2867
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:10,320
other experts may be found that say you

2868
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:13,280
know what it's a mummy yeah i mean

2869
01:56:18,310 --> 01:56:17,040
these uh forensic experts salse galindo

2870
01:56:20,950 --> 01:56:18,320
doble

2871
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,960
we don't know right now

2872
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:21,840
how

2873
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:28,000
studying mummies be that

2874
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:30,159
recent moments desiccated mummies or

2875
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:33,040
ancient egyptians and mummies

2876
01:56:36,390 --> 01:56:34,560
yeah not to mention how much they may

2877
01:56:38,390 --> 01:56:36,400
have been paid

2878
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,400
well that's the other issue too you know

2879
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:40,080
it's like anything else they're hired

2880
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:41,920
help would they we don't know their

2881
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:46,950
was very um

2882
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:49,440
made it very clear because before

2883
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:53,360
salsa's testimony uh uh representative

2884
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:55,679
of the instituto nacional de ciencias

2885
01:56:59,990 --> 01:56:57,679
forensis the national institute of

2886
01:57:01,910 --> 01:57:00,000
forensic sciences

2887
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:01,920
appeared on stage and

2888
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:05,360
and presented moussan with their

2889
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:07,360
official reports

2890
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,800
that had been elaborated by celsi and

2891
01:57:15,990 --> 01:57:13,119
they made it clear that

2892
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:16,000
they never accept accepted any money

2893
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:17,040
from from

2894
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:17,840
that

2895
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:21,760
sounds

2896
01:57:24,790 --> 01:57:22,880
certainly

2897
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:24,800
makes it more credible we have red pill

2898
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:27,440
junkie with gene and chris we had a

2899
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:29,199
brief conversation also with richard

2900
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2920
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have you ever felt like the united

2922
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:39,440
states government knows way too much

2923
01:58:43,589 --> 01:58:41,520
about your financial affairs i continue

2924
01:58:45,589 --> 01:58:43,599
to hear stories about property seizures

2925
01:58:47,669 --> 01:58:45,599
frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2926
01:58:49,589 --> 01:58:47,679
stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2927
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:49,599
the us citizen will ever again have the

2928
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:51,679
right to life liberty and the pursuit of

2929
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:52,719
happiness

2930
01:58:56,470 --> 01:58:54,560
unfortunately with the drug and money

2931
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,480
laundering act the irs revenue ruling

2932
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:59,199
6045 of 1984 and the trading with the

2933
01:59:03,589 --> 01:59:00,880
enemy act and franklin d roosevelt's

2934
01:59:05,510 --> 01:59:03,599
executive order of 1933 some precious

2935
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:05,520
metal holdings are subject to government

2936
01:59:09,189 --> 01:59:07,440
intervention for this reason midas

2937
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:09,199
resources has prepared a report

2938
01:59:12,550 --> 01:59:10,639
explaining the boundaries of trading

2939
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:12,560
precious metals privately whether if you

2940
01:59:16,229 --> 01:59:14,400
have any intention of trading with midas

2941
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:16,239
resources or not i have instructed my

2942
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:17,840
representatives to give this report out

2943
01:59:22,629 --> 01:59:18,800
free

2944
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2945
01:59:26,490 --> 01:59:24,400
when investing always proceed with

2946
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,500
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2947
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[Music]

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2950
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2951
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2952
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2954
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2955
01:59:55,030 --> 01:59:52,880
wait any longer with rock bottom prices

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2957
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2960
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again don't miss these prices a fifty by

2961
02:00:07,109 --> 02:00:05,520
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2962
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dollars you heard right that's five

2963
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thousand square feet for thirty five

2964
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thousand dollars manufacturers if you

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need a larger building try a 100 by 100

2966
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commercial building for 129 000. you

2967
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can't afford to rent with these prices

2968
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imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

2969
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,520
for under 69 000

2970
02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:23,599
with the economy improving and interest

2971
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rates still at historic lows you can't

2972
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:30,000
afford to wait so call 866 91 steel lock

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in your price now call 866 91 steel

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2975
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about it grab a pencil and jot down this

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2980
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2990
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2991
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02:01:24,310 --> 02:01:22,480
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2993
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[Applause]

2998
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:49,350
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2999
02:01:54,310 --> 02:01:53,040
standard of paranormal radio

3000
02:01:57,640 --> 02:01:54,320
and now

3001
02:02:01,430 --> 02:01:57,650
here's gene steinberg

3002
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:03,350
so i should tell you here that when we

3003
02:02:06,870 --> 02:02:05,360
do the power cast

3004
02:02:08,310 --> 02:02:06,880
we have plans

3005
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:08,320
and sometimes things turn out

3006
02:02:12,550 --> 02:02:10,239
differently and we're glad that richard

3007
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:12,560
dolan had a few moments to join us to

3008
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:14,239
give his point of view because it's

3009
02:02:18,709 --> 02:02:16,080
important that we look into this

3010
02:02:20,350 --> 02:02:18,719
seriously as i said i still think and

3011
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:20,360
i'm not a forensic

3012
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:23,280
anthropologist i still think it looks

3013
02:02:27,750 --> 02:02:25,599
like a mummy yeah but what do i know now

3014
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,760
there's a second photo the second slide

3015
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:29,520
let's talk about that second slide for a

3016
02:02:34,629 --> 02:02:31,599
few moments because the second slide

3017
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:34,639
there's writing on it on the little

3018
02:02:37,430 --> 02:02:36,239
label or something

3019
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:37,440
yeah and

3020
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:40,320
it was funny because like you have

3021
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:42,239
already mentioned gene

3022
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:44,639
and now sam didn't show the second slide

3023
02:02:48,709 --> 02:02:47,360
until the very end and i even tweeted

3024
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:48,719
you know what happened to the second

3025
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:51,360
slide you know where's the second slide

3026
02:02:55,109 --> 02:02:53,360
and i i really thought well maybe

3027
02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:55,119
they're not going to show it after all

3028
02:02:59,750 --> 02:02:57,199
but then he said no this is the second

3029
02:03:02,390 --> 02:02:59,760
it's the same as the first only it was

3030
02:03:05,589 --> 02:03:02,400
taken without a flash right so the same

3031
02:03:08,870 --> 02:03:05,599
angle the same position but instead of

3032
02:03:11,830 --> 02:03:08,880
seeing the skirt and the legs of what

3033
02:03:14,790 --> 02:03:11,840
seems to be a woman wearing a blue dress

3034
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,800
we use we see portion of

3035
02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:17,520
the the shirt and the trousers of a man

3036
02:03:20,950 --> 02:03:19,520
standing next to the

3037
02:03:21,830 --> 02:03:20,960
to the showcase

3038
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:21,840
and

3039
02:03:27,669 --> 02:03:24,719
as you had already stated the

3040
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:27,679
writing in the cardboard placard

3041
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:29,840
seems more

3042
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:32,880
much more needed although they claim

3043
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:35,210
that they were never able to to

3044
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:36,719
[Music]

3045
02:03:41,910 --> 02:03:39,840
decipher the writing but although

3046
02:03:45,109 --> 02:03:41,920
at this moment we don't know if they

3047
02:03:46,390 --> 02:03:45,119
attempted to do so with the

3048
02:03:48,790 --> 02:03:46,400
the second

3049
02:03:51,189 --> 02:03:48,800
darker slide you know mousan said well

3050
02:03:53,030 --> 02:03:51,199
you know this is the first time that i

3051
02:03:56,229 --> 02:03:53,040
see the slides

3052
02:03:58,390 --> 02:03:56,239
he had seen it on a computer screen so

3053
02:04:00,709 --> 02:03:58,400
when he saw it on stage you know said

3054
02:04:03,830 --> 02:04:00,719
well now that i look at it you know here

3055
02:04:06,070 --> 02:04:03,840
on this on on stage it really looks uh

3056
02:04:08,229 --> 02:04:06,080
pretty neat you know because

3057
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:08,239
up until that they thought that

3058
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:09,280
it wasn't

3059
02:04:14,070 --> 02:04:12,480
their while to to show it because it was

3060
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:14,080
way too dark but

3061
02:04:19,510 --> 02:04:16,560
so we don't know if they they will use

3062
02:04:22,390 --> 02:04:19,520
the second slide to try to see what that

3063
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,400
placard says

3064
02:04:27,350 --> 02:04:24,560
it sounds like a certainly a key issue

3065
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:27,360
now one thing to mention here

3066
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:29,119
you didn't see the real slides it was

3067
02:04:32,550 --> 02:04:30,960
just a reproduction of the slides that

3068
02:04:35,109 --> 02:04:32,560
was projected right

3069
02:04:36,709 --> 02:04:35,119
yeah but that doesn't really bother me

3070
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:36,719
that much i mean

3071
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:38,719
what were they going to do you know use

3072
02:04:42,870 --> 02:04:40,000
an old

3073
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:42,880
project or borrow from some school

3074
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:44,159
and show that

3075
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,679
that on the

3076
02:04:49,910 --> 02:04:47,760
the national auditorium

3077
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:49,920
if it was shown in some

3078
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:52,560
small theater yeah then maybe they would

3079
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,360
have shown the slides but i think that

3080
02:04:59,669 --> 02:04:57,760
they had said beforehand that they

3081
02:05:02,790 --> 02:04:59,679
didn't want to risk

3082
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:02,800
taking the the slides to mexico anyway

3083
02:05:08,870 --> 02:05:05,199
and well you know as a mexican syrian i

3084
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:08,880
i can kind of understand that you know

3085
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,440
having been had problems you know

3086
02:05:15,030 --> 02:05:13,440
sometimes sometimes with missing

3087
02:05:16,950 --> 02:05:15,040
luggages and whatnot

3088
02:05:19,109 --> 02:05:16,960
i understand i'm looking

3089
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:19,119
at the slide and i see the color looks

3090
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,320
normal now understand kodachrome

3091
02:05:26,070 --> 02:05:24,480
no longer being used but it was

3092
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:26,080
a daylight

3093
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:29,520
slide film okay you'd made

3094
02:05:33,910 --> 02:05:31,520
reversals they called them you'd made

3095
02:05:35,510 --> 02:05:33,920
actual slides you'd be able to project

3096
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:35,520
the physical slide you wouldn't have a

3097
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:37,679
negative it'd be a direct

3098
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:39,520
transparency

3099
02:05:43,589 --> 02:05:41,440
so the question here is

3100
02:05:45,109 --> 02:05:43,599
would there have been color correction

3101
02:05:46,709 --> 02:05:45,119
to those slides

3102
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,719
when they were projected that would be

3103
02:05:50,229 --> 02:05:48,719
an interesting question that we'd have

3104
02:05:52,390 --> 02:05:50,239
to ask them

3105
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:52,400
i also questioned and

3106
02:05:58,229 --> 02:05:56,159
their claim that the body

3107
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:58,239
was about

3108
02:06:02,470 --> 02:06:00,880
three to four feet long

3109
02:06:06,149 --> 02:06:02,480
i don't know about you gene and chris

3110
02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:06,159
but i look at the images and it looks

3111
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:09,679
way shorter than that you know maybe

3112
02:06:14,629 --> 02:06:12,560
maybe no more like defeat

3113
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:14,639
looks more like three feet

3114
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:16,400
well the thing here also is you have to

3115
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:20,239
evaluate it in relationship to the only

3116
02:06:23,669 --> 02:06:21,679
size

3117
02:06:25,030 --> 02:06:23,679
that can be measured or considered which

3118
02:06:26,390 --> 02:06:25,040
is that of

3119
02:06:28,470 --> 02:06:26,400
this woman

3120
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:28,480
so i guess you're trying to assume here

3121
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,679
how big what is it or was it compared to

3122
02:06:35,030 --> 02:06:33,760
the physical person who is seen there of

3123
02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:35,040
course you don't know how tall that

3124
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:37,440
person is if it's a woman as it appears

3125
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:38,719
to be maybe

3126
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,880
her average height would be from five

3127
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:42,800
feet to five and a half feet

3128
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:46,000
maybe but well i'm a designer right i i

3129
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:48,560
design furniture so from a designer

3130
02:06:52,950 --> 02:06:50,000
point of view

3131
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:52,960
my estimate is that the glass

3132
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:54,719
um shelf

3133
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:57,360
in which the body

3134
02:07:02,709 --> 02:06:58,880
is

3135
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:02,719
was put i don't think it's

3136
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:06,560
more than 12 inches in depth you know so

3137
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:08,480
maybe that's a point of comparison to

3138
02:07:11,669 --> 02:07:09,920
try to assess

3139
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:11,679
its size

3140
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:13,520
what still comes down to the same thing

3141
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:14,560
here

3142
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:16,000
is this

3143
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,840
a human being

3144
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:19,520
is this an alien

3145
02:07:24,550 --> 02:07:21,679
if it is an alien

3146
02:07:26,790 --> 02:07:24,560
where was this taken and why would it be

3147
02:07:28,790 --> 02:07:26,800
treated in such a casual fashion that's

3148
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:28,800
the biggest thing about it

3149
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:30,800
when we set aside what

3150
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:32,880
the scientists said the three scientists

3151
02:07:36,069 --> 02:07:34,079
and we look

3152
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,079
at the picture

3153
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:38,480
it is so troubling it's no wonder so

3154
02:07:43,589 --> 02:07:40,960
many people disbelieve it

3155
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:43,599
now after the scientists came on

3156
02:07:47,030 --> 02:07:44,960
and they gave their presentation

3157
02:07:48,709 --> 02:07:47,040
obviously richard dolan was clearly

3158
02:07:50,629 --> 02:07:48,719
impressed by it

3159
02:07:52,709 --> 02:07:50,639
what else happened was that the end of

3160
02:07:55,189 --> 02:07:52,719
the show

3161
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,199
yeah after

3162
02:08:00,790 --> 02:07:57,360
galindo

3163
02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:00,800
who was who was the third specialist

3164
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:03,040
gave his uh

3165
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:05,440
testimony or presentation

3166
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:08,400
it was uh the turn of uh

3167
02:08:11,669 --> 02:08:10,000
after that

3168
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:11,679
then it was the

3169
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:12,560
uh

3170
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:14,880
time for the quote-unquote hologram you

3171
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:18,079
know to to be shown you know when the

3172
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:21,280
alien was supposed to come alive and

3173
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:24,320
walk on stage you know and and maybe it

3174
02:08:26,870 --> 02:08:25,760
was because

3175
02:08:27,750 --> 02:08:26,880
the the

3176
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:27,760
the

3177
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:30,320
was

3178
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:32,880
we were in one of the balconies so we

3179
02:08:38,310 --> 02:08:37,280
were on a very uh on a very an angle

3180
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:38,320
uh

3181
02:08:42,149 --> 02:08:40,880
looking down at the at this stage

3182
02:08:44,790 --> 02:08:42,159
so

3183
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:44,800
whatever kind of interesting

3184
02:08:49,990 --> 02:08:47,440
effect of you know of seeing thing like

3185
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:50,000
a hologram was supposed to to be you

3186
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:52,079
know i i didn't catch it because to me

3187
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:55,679
was it seemed just like a

3188
02:08:59,510 --> 02:08:57,199
like a cgi

3189
02:09:02,870 --> 02:08:59,520
reconstruction you know moving around

3190
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:02,880
and on that shown on on uh

3191
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,599
on some kind of uh

3192
02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,840
rectangle screen you know and in my

3193
02:09:11,990 --> 02:09:09,840
opinion it it it

3194
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:12,000
lasted way too long you know more than a

3195
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,400
minute and a half you know not even a

3196
02:09:19,189 --> 02:09:16,400
a decent walking cycle you know from an

3197
02:09:21,270 --> 02:09:19,199
animation point of view you know so

3198
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:21,280
maybe they could have short they got

3199
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that short shorter

3200
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i think the entire thing could have been

3201
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cut shorter yeah and done in a more

3202
02:09:33,189 --> 02:09:31,520
presentable fashion i still do not

3203
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understand

3204
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why you had to go to mexico city for

3205
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this

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3213
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you say it's a prestigious location in

3214
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mexico city

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goberki.com and be sure to click the red

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again that's 877-886-3653

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[Music]

3330
02:14:46,629 --> 02:14:44,470
hi this is james fox from chasing ufos

3331
02:14:52,550 --> 02:14:46,639
you're listening to the paracast the

3332
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,390
chris o'brien's on the road which is why

3333
02:14:57,510 --> 02:14:56,079
he sounds hollow

3334
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:57,520
because he's

3335
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:00,079
suffering from the digital haze

3336
02:15:05,030 --> 02:15:02,639
of a cell phone connection unfortunately

3337
02:15:08,229 --> 02:15:05,040
we have red pill junkie miguel who

3338
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:08,239
attended the roswell slides or not the

3339
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:10,800
roswell slides event and we're trying to

3340
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:12,400
put things together

3341
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:14,560
to figure out what's going on

3342
02:15:20,069 --> 02:15:17,199
and whether these two slides

3343
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:20,079
show a being that did not originate on

3344
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:21,280
this earth

3345
02:15:26,870 --> 02:15:23,760
and be nice to see what that little

3346
02:15:28,709 --> 02:15:26,880
sign is all about if only it can be

3347
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,719
interpreted i suppose if there's a

3348
02:15:32,629 --> 02:15:31,040
higher resolution version were you able

3349
02:15:35,109 --> 02:15:32,639
to see anything when you saw that second

3350
02:15:37,030 --> 02:15:35,119
slide where did it pass too quickly to

3351
02:15:38,310 --> 02:15:37,040
figure out what the lettering was about

3352
02:15:40,470 --> 02:15:38,320
um

3353
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,480
the lettering was completely

3354
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:42,480
undecipherable you know they did they

3355
02:15:49,109 --> 02:15:45,920
didn't even attempt to do some kind of

3356
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:49,119
zoom in to try to see if

3357
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:51,199
if you could make out something of it

3358
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:53,199
you know i i i the only thing that i

3359
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:56,239
could detect was that

3360
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:58,079
it seemed to have been

3361
02:16:02,149 --> 02:16:00,800
uh written with some kind of um

3362
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:02,159
purplish

3363
02:16:07,990 --> 02:16:06,480
like a magic marker or something that

3364
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:08,000
would be black wood no they've had

3365
02:16:13,589 --> 02:16:09,840
purple magic markers but back in the

3366
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:13,599
1940s they have magic markers

3367
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:15,679
i don't know you know but i

3368
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:17,280
i'm not sure if

3369
02:16:21,510 --> 02:16:19,920
if magic marker i think that the the

3370
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:21,520
point will be too

3371
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:24,000
too thick don't you think maybe i think

3372
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:25,920
they probably use some kind of fountain

3373
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:26,719
paint

3374
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:28,560
okay looks like the magic marker came

3375
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:31,040
out in 1953 sorry about that folks just

3376
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,920
looked it up it's sydney rosenthal's

3377
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:35,599
magic marker

3378
02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:37,439
so there you go what that's about oh by

3379
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:39,040
the way i had a question here from

3380
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:40,800
constance and i'm going to summarize it

3381
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:42,960
pretty quickly from our forums

3382
02:16:47,190 --> 02:16:45,040
and mostly it's whether scientists

3383
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:47,200
having been exposed to this and because

3384
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:49,359
of the fact that several scientists gave

3385
02:16:53,190 --> 02:16:51,760
a pretty positive presentation is that

3386
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:53,200
going to be enough to bring other

3387
02:16:58,150 --> 02:16:55,679
scientists to look at the slides and

3388
02:17:00,469 --> 02:16:58,160
make their own determinations or will it

3389
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,479
be just dismissed out of hand which is

3390
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:02,479
what i'm adding to that question well

3391
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,080
who knows maybe

3392
02:17:09,669 --> 02:17:07,200
like rich said you know the first order

3393
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:09,679
of the day for them will be to

3394
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:11,280
to release

3395
02:17:17,110 --> 02:17:13,040
a breast issue

3396
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:17,120
along with and with the scientific

3397
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:20,240
reports the paper that the forensic

3398
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:22,960
scientists elaborated translated in

3399
02:17:28,469 --> 02:17:25,439
english of course and published them as

3400
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:28,479
soon as possible so so other side

3401
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:31,280
independent scientists can read it and

3402
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:32,399
they can

3403
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:34,080
assess whether

3404
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:37,040
it's valid data or is or it's only

3405
02:17:40,230 --> 02:17:38,559
wishful thinking

3406
02:17:42,469 --> 02:17:40,240
now here's the big question which i

3407
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,479
guess we can discuss and there's no

3408
02:17:46,389 --> 02:17:44,399
answer to it really i think

3409
02:17:48,150 --> 02:17:46,399
and that is even

3410
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,160
if that picture

3411
02:17:51,589 --> 02:17:50,160
shows an alien being

3412
02:17:54,709 --> 02:17:51,599
there's no way to know where it was

3413
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:54,719
taken there's no way to know who took it

3414
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:56,399
no way to know

3415
02:18:01,669 --> 02:17:59,599
exactly when we can only guess within

3416
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,679
a range of months or years

3417
02:18:05,589 --> 02:18:03,280
so what do we do with it

3418
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:05,599
yeah who knows you know i mean like you

3419
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:07,359
said there is no even there is also no

3420
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:10,160
way to determine whether the being is an

3421
02:18:14,469 --> 02:18:12,559
extraterrestrial right i mean how could

3422
02:18:16,950 --> 02:18:14,479
you say that you know you you you can't

3423
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,960
determine that from from an image you

3424
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:18,880
know at least you could say it's an

3425
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:22,399
anomalous body you can't go beyond that

3426
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:24,800
and and

3427
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:26,719
i remember how uh

3428
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:29,519
nick redfern you know when in on his

3429
02:18:34,389 --> 02:18:32,080
post at mysterious universe i think he

3430
02:18:37,349 --> 02:18:34,399
hit the nail of the head when he said

3431
02:18:38,790 --> 02:18:37,359
that even if the slides turned out to be

3432
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:38,800
the real deal

3433
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:39,920
then

3434
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:42,880
probably will probably go and become

3435
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:44,160
like the

3436
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:45,519
roswell

3437
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,000
version of the patterson gimli film you

3438
02:18:53,669 --> 02:18:50,880
know that the famous or infamous

3439
02:18:56,790 --> 02:18:53,679
film taken in 1967 in the pacific

3440
02:18:58,790 --> 02:18:56,800
northwest and all these years later you

3441
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:58,800
know you're still have

3442
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:00,399
50 percent

3443
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,160
of the people increa in cryptozoology

3444
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:06,559
claiming that is what it really shows

3445
02:19:09,910 --> 02:19:09,040
some kind of unknown

3446
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:09,920
uh

3447
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,319
the pacific northwest while the other 50

3448
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:18,399
says that it's just a guy in a gorilla

3449
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:20,960
suit you know and 100 of the skeptics

3450
02:19:26,309 --> 02:19:23,599
just laughing at it and the reason for

3451
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:26,319
that is the same reason that

3452
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:28,960
we really can't do anything with with

3453
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,679
these roswell slides because they don't

3454
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:34,479
we don't have a body yet we don't have a

3455
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:36,639
big foot body and we certainly don't

3456
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:39,200
have an alien body i think that's a real

3457
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:41,679
good analogy you know i think the

3458
02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:44,000
patterson human film would be a good

3459
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:45,120
comparison

3460
02:19:49,590 --> 02:19:47,280
the jury will always be out on that film

3461
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:49,600
just as the jury will undoubtedly always

3462
02:19:52,710 --> 02:19:50,560
be out

3463
02:19:54,469 --> 02:19:52,720
on these slides i think there's too many

3464
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:54,479
holes in the story

3465
02:19:59,349 --> 02:19:57,359
there's not enough prominence for the

3466
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:59,359
evidence chain

3467
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:01,200
and i think that there's that's always

3468
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:02,960
going to give the skeptics and the

3469
02:20:07,590 --> 02:20:05,280
dewonkas just enough room

3470
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,600
to you know have it become wet have

3471
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,920
these issues become wedge issues

3472
02:20:14,469 --> 02:20:11,760
and always keep this thing up in the air

3473
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:14,479
in terms of of its efficacy and whether

3474
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:15,760
you know we're dealing with something

3475
02:20:21,190 --> 02:20:16,560
that's

3476
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:21,200
i i personally don't see it but again

3477
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:22,720
i've been gone i haven't had a chance to

3478
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,399
really dive into

3479
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:26,640
testimony of the scientists nor have i

3480
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:28,960
had a chance to really take a good look

3481
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:31,439
careful look at the actual um higher

3482
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:33,920
recipe productions of the slide so but

3483
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:35,920
your your point is well taken about the

3484
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:37,200
patterson no

3485
02:20:42,150 --> 02:20:39,200
i think yeah

3486
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:42,160
yeah and this is of course the best case

3487
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:44,319
scenario because worst case scenario is

3488
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:46,800
that this is just the

3489
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:49,520
santilli alien auto autopsy video all

3490
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:52,240
over again right and just another hoax

3491
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:54,800
and maybe one that will really

3492
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:58,080
undermine even more the the the roswell

3493
02:21:04,710 --> 02:21:00,800
case and there's even a lot of some

3494
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:04,720
people pointing out some uh kind of off

3495
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:07,680
uh well coincidences between the

3496
02:21:12,070 --> 02:21:08,880
santilli

3497
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:12,080
video and the roswell slides the first

3498
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:13,840
one that apparently

3499
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:16,399
they were released

3500
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:18,640
with exactly 20 years of difference and

3501
02:21:22,710 --> 02:21:21,200
i i'm not sure that's actually the case

3502
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:22,720
you know may

3503
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:24,800
5th of 1995

3504
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:27,200
with the santilli video on may 5th of

3505
02:21:33,110 --> 02:21:31,359
2015 with the roswell slides and also

3506
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:33,120
i think that george

3507
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:39,190
santilli

3508
02:21:45,910 --> 02:21:42,640
had a nickname for his uh

3509
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:45,920
alien puppet he named it hilda and hilda

3510
02:21:51,590 --> 02:21:48,960
is the name of the person who allegedly

3511
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:51,600
is involved in in the whole provenance

3512
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:53,359
with the slides so i don't know it's it

3513
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:55,600
it gets weirder and weirder and

3514
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:57,760
interesting that all that information uh

3515
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:00,720
first surfaced on faircast forums too ah

3516
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:03,200
yeah he mentioned that there was the the

3517
02:22:07,349 --> 02:22:06,160
paraquez forums was involved and also he

3518
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:07,359
mentioned

3519
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:10,800
john lundberg who was the uh

3520
02:22:13,830 --> 02:22:12,080
yeah the

3521
02:22:15,510 --> 02:22:13,840
director of

3522
02:22:16,790 --> 02:22:15,520
and would not deny

3523
02:22:19,110 --> 02:22:16,800
being involved

3524
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:19,120
wow so there you go you know

3525
02:22:22,790 --> 02:22:20,240
even

3526
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:22,800
curiouser and curiouser

3527
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:26,560
well again the powercast makes the news

3528
02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:28,479
how that goes

3529
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:30,800
all right so there we have it folks and

3530
02:22:34,230 --> 02:22:32,800
we've got another segment to do on this

3531
02:22:36,550 --> 02:22:34,240
week's episode

3532
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:36,560
but we're still getting this central

3533
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:39,439
picture here that regardless

3534
02:22:44,309 --> 02:22:42,640
of how the analysis turns out

3535
02:22:46,950 --> 02:22:44,319
it doesn't prove roswell it doesn't

3536
02:22:49,670 --> 02:22:46,960
prove anything except that we once had

3537
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:49,680
some anomalous creature

3538
02:22:53,429 --> 02:22:52,000
that may or may not have lived

3539
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,439
may or may not

3540
02:22:57,110 --> 02:22:55,439
have been some kind of

3541
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,120
hollywood mock-up

3542
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:59,600
may have been a museum piece

3543
02:23:02,630 --> 02:23:01,359
may have represented the creature that

3544
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:02,640
landed

3545
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:04,960
a thousand years ago i mean if it's a

3546
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:06,080
mummy

3547
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:07,520
wouldn't it be a thousand or two

3548
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:09,040
thousand or three thousand years old

3549
02:23:11,910 --> 02:23:10,960
that's another point of view

3550
02:23:13,590 --> 02:23:11,920
okay

3551
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:13,600
what do you think chris

3552
02:23:18,710 --> 02:23:16,399
i don't know again i'm gonna reserve

3553
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:18,720
judgment until i get a chance to get my

3554
02:23:24,389 --> 02:23:22,000
fanny back home in front of my computer

3555
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:24,399
uh i really haven't had a chance to uh

3556
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:27,200
like i said really look into the latest

3557
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:28,319
uh

3558
02:23:32,710 --> 02:23:30,560
you know i i think rich is right we need

3559
02:23:35,590 --> 02:23:32,720
to listen to

3560
02:23:38,630 --> 02:23:35,600
the experts who are trotted out please

3561
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:38,640
give them a chance to make their case

3562
02:23:42,309 --> 02:23:41,120
um and also obviously i'd like to take a

3563
02:23:47,510 --> 02:23:42,319
look at the

3564
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:49,910
i'm very doubtful you know i tend to be

3565
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:51,120
skeptical

3566
02:23:55,750 --> 02:23:54,080
around sensational claims like this so

3567
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:55,760
it's going to take a lot to really

3568
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:57,680
convince me that we're dealing with

3569
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:58,640
something

3570
02:24:01,990 --> 02:24:00,880
completely above more legitimate i don't

3571
02:24:03,670 --> 02:24:02,000
think we are

3572
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:03,680
so if you tuned in late you'll want to

3573
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:06,319
listen to the show again because we had

3574
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:09,600
about 16 or 18 minutes spent with

3575
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:12,479
richard dolan who was on the stage

3576
02:24:18,630 --> 02:24:15,600
at the roswell slides presentation we

3577
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:18,640
have gene and chris and red pill junkie

3578
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:29,990
great minds think alike the network for

3579
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:32,560
the independent minded the genesis

3580
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:37,040
communications network g c n

3581
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:39,120
attack of the rockoids has been well

3582
02:24:43,030 --> 02:24:41,439
received by critics and readers alike

3583
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:43,040
it's a thrill-a-minute story you'll

3584
02:24:46,309 --> 02:24:44,399
never forget

3585
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:46,319
a former u s military intelligence

3586
02:24:51,349 --> 02:24:48,800
officer is haunted by intense dreams

3587
02:24:53,750 --> 02:24:51,359
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

3588
02:24:54,790 --> 02:24:53,760
help after a terrible battle in outer

3589
02:24:56,950 --> 02:24:54,800
space

3590
02:24:58,950 --> 02:24:56,960
but the dreams turn out to be true and

3591
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:58,960
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

3592
02:25:04,070 --> 02:25:01,680
with a woman whose far away planet is

3593
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:04,080
intent on destroying the earth

3594
02:25:09,030 --> 02:25:06,560
and now the gripping tale continues in

3595
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:09,040
the coming of the protectors it's the

3596
02:25:13,830 --> 02:25:11,600
second book of the rockoids trilogy a

3597
02:25:16,070 --> 02:25:13,840
galaxy spanning adventure that pits our

3598
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:16,080
hapless heroes against powerful

3599
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:18,319
fanatical enemies that threaten the

3600
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:20,240
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this is jacqueline you're listening to

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the paracast

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chris is on the road which is why his

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voice is filled with digital haze you

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think here in the 21st century we have

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all these miraculous things that

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mobile phones can do

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but they can't get the network to

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deliver decent sound

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that can't even match two

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tin cans

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held together by a wire

3694
02:29:22,230 --> 02:29:19,600
it doesn't sound that bad does it uh i

3695
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,240
think the tin cans have it over oh i'm

3696
02:29:26,389 --> 02:29:24,720
sorry i'm i'm now only about 40 minutes

3697
02:29:28,630 --> 02:29:26,399
away from the house but

3698
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:28,640
the show's almost over so i i gave him

3699
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:31,120
my best shot but that's okay

3700
02:29:33,510 --> 02:29:31,760
at

3701
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:33,520
the weekend from hell

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02:29:36,950 --> 02:29:34,960
we don't want to talk about that maybe

3703
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:36,960
we'll talk a little bit about it on

3704
02:29:41,349 --> 02:29:39,359
after the power cast this week but

3705
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:41,359
we're focusing here on the roswell

3706
02:29:45,910 --> 02:29:43,359
slides or not the roswell slides with

3707
02:29:47,830 --> 02:29:45,920
red pill junkie i have another question

3708
02:29:49,110 --> 02:29:47,840
from our forum and it's not really about

3709
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:49,120
this case

3710
02:29:54,070 --> 02:29:51,040
but i thought maybe you'll have a chance

3711
02:29:57,750 --> 02:29:54,080
to answer it right now and that is did

3712
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:57,760
you hear about any interesting specific

3713
02:30:04,070 --> 02:30:01,280
mexican ufo cases while you were there i

3714
02:30:06,150 --> 02:30:04,080
guess this is with regard to the roswell

3715
02:30:07,110 --> 02:30:06,160
slides event but that wouldn't apply

3716
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:07,120
would it

3717
02:30:11,510 --> 02:30:08,560
no i didn't

3718
02:30:13,910 --> 02:30:11,520
one thing that they did mention during

3719
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:13,920
the intermission you know that i

3720
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,120
listened to

3721
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:18,160
after i rushed from the from the vira

3722
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:19,840
from the restrooms like the rest of the

3723
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,000
people attending was that they were

3724
02:30:26,550 --> 02:30:24,960
promoting some kind of a documentary

3725
02:30:29,670 --> 02:30:26,560
about the

3726
02:30:32,710 --> 02:30:29,680
jerusalem temple dome

3727
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:32,720
and i'm sure that uh that chris will

3728
02:30:37,510 --> 02:30:34,720
recognize that this video has been

3729
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,520
proven a hoax right the the famous the

3730
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:39,760
infamous 2011

3731
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:42,399
video that was allegedly like taken on

3732
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:46,479
jerusalem on with the light coming

3733
02:30:49,510 --> 02:30:48,479
right over

3734
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:49,520
forward

3735
02:30:55,830 --> 02:30:52,319
exactly but here you have you know

3736
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:55,840
moussana and and his operation and

3737
02:31:01,670 --> 02:30:59,040
they're treating the case as legit so

3738
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:01,680
huh obviously there's been discussions

3739
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:03,439
about this

3740
02:31:07,830 --> 02:31:04,560
that

3741
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,840
based on very rough outside estimates

3742
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:09,280
including the

3743
02:31:14,550 --> 02:31:12,080
on-demand streaming video that maybe

3744
02:31:16,150 --> 02:31:14,560
they got between a quarter

3745
02:31:18,070 --> 02:31:16,160
of a million dollars or a little bit

3746
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:18,080
higher in

3747
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:19,359
revenue

3748
02:31:23,429 --> 02:31:21,680
but the sponsor says they lost about a

3749
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:23,439
hundred thousand dollars

3750
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,520
should we even worry about that or is

3751
02:31:30,230 --> 02:31:27,520
that a credible thing to consider

3752
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:30,240
i don't know i mean i've certainly read

3753
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:32,399
a lot of people

3754
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:33,520
accusing

3755
02:31:39,670 --> 02:31:36,560
moussano being a hoster a con man and

3756
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:39,680
that he did it only for the money and my

3757
02:31:43,830 --> 02:31:41,840
own personal opinion is that i don't

3758
02:31:46,389 --> 02:31:43,840
think it's as simple as that i don't

3759
02:31:48,389 --> 02:31:46,399
think i i i honestly think that if

3760
02:31:51,190 --> 02:31:48,399
moussan's uh

3761
02:31:53,990 --> 02:31:51,200
intentions were weren't purely

3762
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:54,000
monetary i i truly believe that he first

3763
02:32:00,070 --> 02:31:57,439
of all he has always liked to be the

3764
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:00,080
center of attention i think he he did it

3765
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:04,080
to try to retain his position as the

3766
02:32:08,790 --> 02:32:06,960
most prominent ufologist in mexico maybe

3767
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:08,800
he wanted to wanted to go down in

3768
02:32:13,030 --> 02:32:12,240
history and said look i was the only one

3769
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:13,040
who

3770
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:15,760
was even able to fill the national

3771
02:32:21,990 --> 02:32:20,000
auditorium with a ufo event maybe he has

3772
02:32:23,510 --> 02:32:22,000
convinced himself that

3773
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:23,520
what he's doing is the right thing i

3774
02:32:29,670 --> 02:32:26,720
mean i mean i'm sure he would have run

3775
02:32:31,830 --> 02:32:29,680
with the money a long time ago if it

3776
02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:31,840
wasn't the case you know so with moussan

3777
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:35,200
i think that he really is probably

3778
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:36,840
deceiving

3779
02:32:41,190 --> 02:32:39,040
himself are honorable but his

3780
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:41,200
possibly his bs meter isn't quite as

3781
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:43,200
fine-tuned as it should be

3782
02:32:49,190 --> 02:32:45,760
yeah probably you know probably his uh

3783
02:32:50,950 --> 02:32:49,200
necessity to to keep uh showing things

3784
02:32:51,510 --> 02:32:50,960
to the public you know for

3785
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:51,520
for uh

3786
02:32:57,830 --> 02:32:54,720
tercer millennial tv program you know

3787
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:57,840
makes him you know publish things that

3788
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,280
are

3789
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:01,600
questionable to say the least

3790
02:33:05,670 --> 02:33:03,760
yeah but i think i think his intentions

3791
02:33:08,870 --> 02:33:05,680
by and large or honorable i just think

3792
02:33:11,349 --> 02:33:08,880
he uh he's very excitable and i think

3793
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:11,359
sometimes he he wants to believe so much

3794
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:12,240
that

3795
02:33:19,510 --> 02:33:16,080
be called into question

3796
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:19,520
yeah i think that he he sees himself as

3797
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:22,080
some some kind of a martyr you know

3798
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:25,920
always being attacked by by the skeptics

3799
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:28,640
and the bunkers you know and he is

3800
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:31,280
fighting the good fight in order to to

3801
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:34,560
bring about what ufo disclosure you know

3802
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:35,600
and

3803
02:33:41,990 --> 02:33:39,280
that kind of rhetoric is very appealing

3804
02:33:44,630 --> 02:33:42,000
to the mexican audience

3805
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:44,640
well again i just wish they held this

3806
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:46,880
event in this country i think

3807
02:33:51,110 --> 02:33:49,359
it would have been treated more credibly

3808
02:33:52,950 --> 02:33:51,120
and also i think the media would have

3809
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:52,960
paid more attention to it because right

3810
02:33:57,349 --> 02:33:55,040
now when you look at the coverage you

3811
02:34:00,550 --> 02:33:57,359
see scattered newspapers around the

3812
02:34:03,830 --> 02:34:00,560
world even the huffington post even the

3813
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:03,840
huffington post which has some serious

3814
02:34:07,349 --> 02:34:04,960
coverage

3815
02:34:08,469 --> 02:34:07,359
of ufos with lee spiegel

3816
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:08,479
and others

3817
02:34:12,070 --> 02:34:10,319
they had an article

3818
02:34:13,990 --> 02:34:12,080
posted on this and they removed it

3819
02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:14,000
because the editors said that there were

3820
02:34:18,150 --> 02:34:16,319
errors in it

3821
02:34:20,389 --> 02:34:18,160
so lee spiegel

3822
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:20,399
published he didn't write the article no

3823
02:34:24,070 --> 02:34:22,160
owned by somebody else

3824
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:24,080
somebody apparently had penned an

3825
02:34:26,950 --> 02:34:25,840
article

3826
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:26,960
on the

3827
02:34:31,510 --> 02:34:28,720
roswell slides

3828
02:34:32,790 --> 02:34:31,520
that was withdrawn

3829
02:34:36,230 --> 02:34:32,800
because of

3830
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:36,240
apparent factual errors what about uh

3831
02:34:42,950 --> 02:34:40,640
billy cox on his uh devoid column

3832
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:42,960
i haven't seen what he's written yet

3833
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:44,960
because i think that i've read in kevin

3834
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:47,920
randle's blog that he

3835
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:50,160
contacted

3836
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:51,280
one of the

3837
02:34:54,389 --> 02:34:52,800
people who

3838
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:54,399
apparently

3839
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:56,560
studied the slides you know someone who

3840
02:35:00,070 --> 02:34:57,680
is

3841
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,080
located in rochester new york

3842
02:35:08,230 --> 02:35:03,120
and apparently the the

3843
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:08,240
anthony bragalia had claimed that he had

3844
02:35:12,630 --> 02:35:10,880
bothered that person but

3845
02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:12,640
i'm not sure if that is actually the

3846
02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:16,160
truth or not i know all this buildup

3847
02:35:21,349 --> 02:35:18,720
before the event is what left a bad

3848
02:35:23,429 --> 02:35:21,359
taste in the mouths of many people i

3849
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:23,439
think that really hurt it don't you i

3850
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,560
agree completely i think that there was

3851
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:28,319
way too much

3852
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:31,760
hype and hyperbole they could have

3853
02:35:36,389 --> 02:35:34,880
tone it down a notch and i think that

3854
02:35:39,190 --> 02:35:36,399
maybe

3855
02:35:41,349 --> 02:35:39,200
jose caravaca you know one of the people

3856
02:35:43,990 --> 02:35:41,359
who have been also

3857
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:44,000
investigated this case it was he had a

3858
02:35:47,670 --> 02:35:45,840
point and said you know maybe he they

3859
02:35:50,469 --> 02:35:47,680
could have avoided all this

3860
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:50,479
that blood if he had they had been a

3861
02:35:55,750 --> 02:35:53,120
little more forthcoming you know they in

3862
02:35:57,510 --> 02:35:55,760
instead of you know trying to keep

3863
02:36:00,070 --> 02:35:57,520
the slides or this

3864
02:36:02,630 --> 02:36:00,080
as this big secret until the very end

3865
02:36:03,910 --> 02:36:02,640
maybe they could have shared it with a

3866
02:36:06,469 --> 02:36:03,920
few of the

3867
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:06,479
a few independent researchers in order

3868
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:10,000
to try to to build a stronger case for

3869
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:10,960
them

3870
02:36:15,910 --> 02:36:13,120
and we're not saying that those three

3871
02:36:18,150 --> 02:36:15,920
scientists are wrong and what they say

3872
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,160
it's just that as you point out

3873
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:20,399
it could have been done in a much better

3874
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:21,280
way

3875
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and wouldn't get a setup

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yeah well i'm not the one who promoted

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this so what do i know and i've only

3878
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done one ufo convention

3879
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at least jaime what lost a hundred

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02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:35,680
thousand dollars he says when i ran this

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ufo convention with my business partner

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back in the 1970s

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i think we lost

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all told

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02:36:52,230 --> 02:36:50,550
i felt lucky in retrospect red pill

3886
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:52,240
junkie can you tell our listeners where

3887
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:53,920
they can find more of the stuff you

3888
02:36:59,830 --> 02:36:56,880
write about sure well i'm a regular

3889
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contributor for several sites and the

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mysterious universe

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and the intrepid

3893
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magazine blog and i'm also a

3894
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semi-regular guest on the grimerica show

3895
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,359
podcast

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run by my friends and darren graham

3897
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and you also will see me you know uh

3898
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creeping around on the on the paracas

3899
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forums here and there

3900
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:27,359
yes he does lurk in he's here in strange

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3902
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